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Looking for Deep Throat

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Stephen Judd,

You took the words right out of my mouth. Will this type of action bring SACS to campus early?

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dr. know

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Originally posted by: In the know
"I have it on good authority that Grimes and the gang completely "shut down" a finance hire earlieer this year on the "private sector" thing.  One of their candidates even had years as a higher up with AT&T or something."
This is absolutely correct. 

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legal beagle

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You know, the beginning of this memo does sound like "I am reluctantly going to follow federal legal guidelines...."  It also seems that "reluctantly" doing so was the result of advice from the EEOC officer.  You can bet the house that Ken Malone is behind all of the private sector stuff.  The problem with the private sector is being able to figure out why the person is leaving the private sector.  Hell, "private sector experience" got you guys Ken Malone & wife.

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LVN

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"So, a person with this experience and the proper academic credentials would come to USM because . . . ? "


Disregard this. It does not read AT ALL like I meant it to. I just wondered why people with private sector experience and good credentials would leave to come into the mess we presently have. I realize there is plenty of reason to come the the USM that was/should be/will be again.

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Corn CoB Pipe

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I was there when the finance thing was brought up in the "Black Friday" CoB faculty meeting. That rumor is true; Grimes, et. al., did shut down a finance hire because of "lack of relevant private sector experience." One of the candidates had 10 years of financial management experience with AT&T, and others had industry experience as well. Too bad none of those candidates will sue.

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talan

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This is another weapon in the Kim Chaze cache.  Pretty soon he'll have a bigger, faster plane than Shelby.

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Spanky

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I wonder if Chaze will be able to out-recruit Eustachy, given that he will have a faster plane....

Couldn't resist.

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Nostradamus

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The COB may not gain alot of private sector experience out of this, but with the exodus will be losing alot of public sector experience like many of the other colleges.

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Peter Drucker's Management Consultant

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The real problem is that unless SACS steps in, this memo will become the rule for ALL colleges at USM. Can't be an English prof unless you've been a reader for a pub. house and know something about "progressive lit."

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bb mac

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" "Economic Development" was not acceptable to the faculty as a fourth criterion for evaluation so it was folded back into the other three categories. This is a backhanded way of forcing the CoB and its faculty to apply themselves to the business of economic development as a fourth criterion without actually having it explicitly appear. Beware -- I suspect we won't see the last of this among the colleges. I will not be suprised to see Science and Tech getting the same treatment soon . . . .  "

Stephen, I hadn't thought about this before --- I think you may be right.  I would only also add that this may be Shelby's way of also changing the "balance of thought" on campus (i.e., business model vs academic model).


 



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Chicken Soup Lady

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This could have a good side people. Did Dana Thames ever actually teach school?

And where is SFT's "private sector experience."

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Plate Tectonics

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Speaking of shifts, is there any way to fight this paradigm shift in hiring through channels? I know the Faculty Senate is meeting tomorrow. P-T Review will probably rule the day, though.

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Parse

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In our earlier discussion on 21 January 2005, and in my letter of 3 February 2005, I instructed you to be "absolutely certain that all new hires have relevant private sector experience."


 


The above passage is interesting.  The ad for the position would have been out by very early November 2004.  Grimes is fighting a battle with no legal legs as late as 3 february 2005.  Doty is kicking his ass at every turn.


The private sector thing is coming to a college near you.  Get ready for it, and be prepared to have job search and job search fall apart because of it. 



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The Original and Real Nostradamus

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"The COB may not gain alot of private sector experience out of this, but with the exodus will be losing alot of public sector experience like many of the other colleges."
I am the original and real Nostradamus everone knew and loved many weeks ago. But I think my license to that name has expired. I like your posting, so you may have the name. I will find another.

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Becky Woodrick's Legal Counsel

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Becky, I think this time you should leave on your own accord.  They are going to push you over the edge of legal lines.  Get out now.

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Celebrity Deathmatch

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Just a question for any/all faculty senators on the board:

We just hired a new budget director from the University of Phoenix. Do all of Phoenix's faculty have "relevant private sector experience"? If so, will we see a continued infusion of Phoenixers into USM when searches produce no "qualified" candidates?

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twice differentiable

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I think Grimes and Malone think they are the new co-deans of business. 

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Shoulda done went

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I'm confused about the timeline. The move to push Beckie out was a while back. These letters are recent. What went on that we don't have letters for?? Or were they just preparing the ground?

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Russ Willis' Benefits Manager

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It wouldn't be the first time SFT & Co. backed a professional staffer into a corner legally (requiring them to bend/break laws, that is).

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talan

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Robert, does this new memo look like Liberty & Power material?  Hopefully Kevin Walters is watching.  A career is in the offing.

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Illuminati

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If I were Doty, I think I'd not be leaving Hattiesburg for a while. Could be that things will be jumpin' for a while. Best not to leave the henhouse unguarded when a wolf's prowling.

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waltersboy

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Originally posted by: Parse
"In our earlier discussion on 21 January 2005, and in my letter of 3 February 2005, I instructed you to be "absolutely certain that all new hires have relevant private sector experience."   The above passage is interesting.  The ad for the position would have been out by very early November 2004.  Grimes is fighting a battle with no legal legs as late as 3 february 2005.  Doty is kicking his ass at every turn. The private sector thing is coming to a college near you.  Get ready for it, and be prepared to have job search and job search fall apart because of it.  "
Grimes' letter of 3 Feb '05 looks like good FOIA material.  What d'ya think?

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Chicken Soup Lady

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For that matter, where is Angie Dvorak's private sector experience?

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No $#!^, Sherlock!

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waltersboy,

why FOIA it? It's on the HA website and here!

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waltersboy

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Originally posted by: No $#!^, Sherlock!
"waltersboy, why FOIA it? It's on the HA website and here!"
My fault, I didn't stop to think that it was the "infamous" letter.  Ooops.

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waltersboy

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So, this memo was sent to Doty's office the day or day before Grimes made his trip over to the COB to speak with individual faculty members.

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not tone deaf

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Accordingly, since we need to hire a person to fill the vacancy and teach the courses, I am allowing you to proceed with the interview process.


This line is my favorite.  Really and undertone that seems to say I guess we have to have some body to teach the stupid courses.  I was really hoping for another private sector guy to help with MURA companies and get grants.  Guess that will have to wait this time.



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a real teacher

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"This could have a good side people. Did Dana Thames ever actually teach school? And where is SFT's "private sector experience.""
Not exactly. Dana "taught" kindergarten (I think) at a non-accredited private school in some town outside Baton Rouge for a semester (heard the total private school k - 8 consisted of about 30 or so students) and then was Dean of Students there for another semester. She was or is hardly a teacher of anyone or anything.

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J. T.

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The position in question is for a finance faculty. We had approximately 65 applicants. We had a preference for an experienced person since faculty at the coast have to deal with a non-traditional campus setting, and rookies sometimes have a problem adjusting and their research suffers. We interviewed in October at the national meeting and, from those interviews, we selected 6 applicants that were promising. One was very outstanding and was moving from the Northeast so that he could afford to buy a house. Our goal was to try to move quickly and land one of the top candidates. Once the material went across campus, there was a long wait and then a notice that all candidates lacked sufficient "business experience". Provost Grimes is correct that our job listing did not have business experience as a condition of employment. Due to a temporary loss of a secretary, I handled all correspondence and much of the paper work. Our hope was we would be able to hire a faculty member with quality publications and a good track record in the classroom. Only recently were we informed of the "added condition of employment" of work experience. Now that we apparently have permission, much of the momentum has been lost and, based on previous experience, many or all of the candidates we interviewed face-to-face have taken other jobs. We now are faced with bringing candidates to campus based on telephone interviews. As other departments and faculty would do, we will make the best of an unfortunate situation, but I do not anticipate the outcome will be what could have been. If we could have acted quickly as we intended, we may have been able to hire before this situation with SACS occurred. Perhaps it just as well we did not hire early because now the candidate will not be blindsided by the SACS probation.

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Thanks J. T.

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Originally posted by: J. T.
"The position in question is for a finance faculty. We had approximately 65 applicants. We had a preference for an experienced person since faculty at the coast have to deal with a non-traditional campus setting, and rookies sometimes have a problem adjusting and their research suffers. We interviewed in October at the national meeting and, from those interviews, we selected 6 applicants that were promising. One was very outstanding and was moving from the Northeast so that he could afford to buy a house. Our goal was to try to move quickly and land one of the top candidates. Once the material went across campus, there was a long wait and then a notice that all candidates lacked sufficient "business experience". Provost Grimes is correct that our job listing did not have business experience as a condition of employment. Due to a temporary loss of a secretary, I handled all correspondence and much of the paper work. Our hope was we would be able to hire a faculty member with quality publications and a good track record in the classroom. Only recently were we informed of the "added condition of employment" of work experience. Now that we apparently have permission, much of the momentum has been lost and, based on previous experience, many or all of the candidates we interviewed face-to-face have taken other jobs. We now are faced with bringing candidates to campus based on telephone interviews. As other departments and faculty would do, we will make the best of an unfortunate situation, but I do not anticipate the outcome will be what could have been. If we could have acted quickly as we intended, we may have been able to hire before this situation with SACS occurred. Perhaps it just as well we did not hire early because now the candidate will not be blindsided by the SACS probation."


 


Oh $**t! finally someone who actually may know what is going on has chimed in. Just in time, I was about ready to run away from all this nonsense from contributors whose closet association with the Gulf Coast campus is having driven on Rte 90.





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