I heard a rumor that should interest Robert Campbell. Robert has speculated as to why The Sun Herald has not covered any of this news about USM. About all they give out are USM sports news and scores. The rumor I heard is that they may be in partnership with USM in producing something called "South Mississippi Business Journal". I haven't heard of this journal, but it may be interesting to investigate. (Or it may just be another rumor.) But this is the only explanation I have heard for their news blackout of USM problems.
I always thought that the editorial side of a paper was kept separate from the business side so that they could have "objectivity" in reporting. Hum. Guess I'm just naive.
Perhaps a more parsimonious explanation for the news blackout is that maybe the Sun-Herald has little regard for USM/Gulf Park. Otherwise, they would pay more attention to USM-related things other than the Hattiesburg-based athletics.
The Sun-Herald editorial board may not think that much of USM-Gulf Park, but in March and April 2004, during the crisis brought on when Thames tried to fire Frank G and Gary S, they actually ran some articles by their own reporters.
Their total lack of coverage of the accreditation crisis has to be deliberate.
Any further information about the South Mississippi Business Journal will be much appreciated.
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<<<<Robert has speculated as to why The Sun Herald has not covered any of this news about USM.>>>>
Because most of what you people do is not news! The public laughs at you most of the time because the readers of the Sun Herald have real problems and real issues to discuss. The Sun Herald is actually helping you by not publishing your small personal problems. The Sun Herald is keeping you from embarrassing yourselves.
quote: Originally posted by: Concerned Student "<<<<Robert has speculated as to why The Sun Herald has not covered any of this news about USM.>>>> Because most of what you people do is not news! The public laughs at you most of the time because the readers of the Sun Herald have real problems and real issues to discuss. The Sun Herald is actually helping you by not publishing your small personal problems. The Sun Herald is keeping you from embarrassing yourselves."
If you were a real student (which I doubt that you are), you would be more concerned with losing your financial aid through the mismanagement of SFT than what is or is not printed about faculty members in some newspaper.
A loss of accreditation is HUGE NEWS, CS. Pick up on it.
quote: Originally posted by: Concerned Student "<<<<Robert has speculated as to why The Sun Herald has not covered any of this news about USM.>>>> Because most of what you people do is not news! The public laughs at you most of the time because the readers of the Sun Herald have real problems and real issues to discuss. The Sun Herald is actually helping you by not publishing your small personal problems. The Sun Herald is keeping you from embarrassing yourselves."
You beat me to it.
The Sun Herald will not cover the "USM Crisis" every single time a poster here comes up with a rumor. They covered it once (maybe twice) and they moved on. If the school shuts down then they will cover it on the front page. Do you see them covering the culled meat processing plant that cost the tax payers $54 million every issue? It was covered but they moved on. But in my opinion that story is more important than the SACS problem. As far as the SH having a conspiracy link to the Hatiiesburg ADP is ridiculous because the Journal covers South Mississippi. Where is Hattiesburg located? South Mississippi. Although I tend to disagree about that claim.
You people live in a box. Those outside USM (which physically is about 99% of the regular posters on this board) actually believe that every person stays awake at night worrying about this. Guess what? They don't. Why? It doesn't matter to them because they have to actually go to work every morning and do not have the luxury of standing behind a podium or a computer and spew rumors and hate. I bet if you ask the average Hattieburger, he or she will not be aware about the SACS probation or know who Doty is or Grimes or (insert name). The public lost respect (if they had any) for the faculty because of the GS debactle. (You are aware that one can be fired from a job for using company email and internet access for personal use?) Those not in the university world all have the perception of you people being hippie-liberals, which of course is sometimes the case. Just like the perception of elementary and secondary public school teachers, the average person has no high regards for those who supposively sit beind a desk all day and have weekend, summers, and holidays off. That's the perception. Also, many people in this area are blue collar individuals who believe in a honest pay for an honest day. So when they hear about professors not getting along with their boss and voting against him (and it's been more than just Thames) they see no honor in that ans see you as weak and whiny.
Just because you people have the time on your hands to post every 5 minutes doesn't mean everything at USM is falling apart. It seems like the faculty has there heads in the sand. Look, I was involved when GS broke out and got involved in it and thought it was terrible. I read the post on the FS board and this one as well. But in reality, it wasn't. When I washed my hands of the whole thing guess what? Life went on. I had the chance to take a look at it from the outside and in the grand scheme of things it just isn't of great importance. It is a shame because if USM closes up then the city of Hattiesburg will suffer, not only jobswise but the money generated by the students and sporting activities will no longer be there and hurt local businesses.
In the end, it all depends where your priorites are kept.
I'll be over here in the corner in case you want to call me closed minded, a troll, uneducated, or pick about my grammar and style--which I've always found that part of an argument interesting: always attack on a personal level instead of arguing facts/opinions.
I bet if you ask the average Hattieburger, he or she will not be aware about the SACS probation or know who Doty is or Grimes or (insert name). The public lost respect (if they had any) for the faculty because of the GS debactle. (You are aware that one can be fired from a job for using company email and internet access for personal use?) Those not in the university world all have the perception of you people being hippie-liberals, which of course is sometimes the case. Just like the perception of elementary and secondary public school teachers, the average person has no high regards for those who supposively sit beind a desk all day and have weekend, summers, and holidays off. That's the perception.
Well, you are right about one thing: as Doty suggested about Grimes, anti-intellectualism is rampant in Mississippi. Wanta stay dumb and uninformed? Be Shelby's lap dog. Wanta learn to think for yourself and base your perceptions on reality rather than fantasy? Listen to the experts - your professors. Come on - join the reality-based world.
Honey, it's not just business that will suffer. I own a house in Hattiesburg, as do two other relatives. What do you think will happen to the value of our property without USM driving the real estate market. Small business is the lifeblood of communities. When all these shops and restaurants close because of lack of business, where will the truck drivers deliver their goods? Where will the electricians, painters, plumbers, and all the other hard-working people you cite, where will they find customers? I've taught and worked at USM, but I've also been involved in two small businesses, so I've seen it from both sides. The university is a major economic engine in this area, and without we will all suffer. I've heard the day's work for a day's pay stuff until I want to be sick. Listen, I taught two sections of a freshman class this past fall, and I cleared $523 A MONTH for BOTH, and I darn well guarantee you I worked hard. Professors have as much education as lawyers (more) and other business people, but somehow what they do isn't "work" and isn't worth money, but selling cars or asparagus or whatever is. I don't think you're a troll. I think you're just worn out with it all, like a lot of people are, and I just disagree with your take on the situation. (And I have all day to sit on the computer for personal reasons, and I'd rather be somewhere else doing something else.)
quote: Originally posted by: Concerned Student "<<<<Robert has speculated as to why The Sun Herald has not covered any of this news about USM.>>>> Because most of what you people do is not news! The public laughs at you most of the time because the readers of the Sun Herald have real problems and real issues to discuss. The Sun Herald is actually helping you by not publishing your small personal problems. The Sun Herald is keeping you from embarrassing yourselves."
Troll-O-Meter concludes (a) that "Concerned Student" is not a full-fledged troll & (b) that "Concerned Student" couldn't possibly be a traditional undergraduate
quote: Originally posted by: 8675309 " You beat me to it. The Sun Herald will not cover the "USM Crisis" every single time a poster here comes up with a rumor. They covered it once (maybe twice) and they moved on. If the school shuts down then they will cover it on the front page. Do you see them covering the culled meat processing plant that cost the tax payers $54 million every issue? It was covered but they moved on. But in my opinion that story is more important than the SACS problem. As far as the SH having a conspiracy link to the Hatiiesburg ADP is ridiculous because the Journal covers South Mississippi. Where is Hattiesburg located? South Mississippi. Although I tend to disagree about that claim. You people live in a box. Those outside USM (which physically is about 99% of the regular posters on this board) actually believe that every person stays awake at night worrying about this. Guess what? They don't. Why? It doesn't matter to them because they have to actually go to work every morning and do not have the luxury of standing behind a podium or a computer and spew rumors and hate. I bet if you ask the average Hattieburger, he or she will not be aware about the SACS probation or know who Doty is or Grimes or (insert name). The public lost respect (if they had any) for the faculty because of the GS debactle. (You are aware that one can be fired from a job for using company email and internet access for personal use?) Those not in the university world all have the perception of you people being hippie-liberals, which of course is sometimes the case. Just like the perception of elementary and secondary public school teachers, the average person has no high regards for those who supposively sit beind a desk all day and have weekend, summers, and holidays off. That's the perception. Also, many people in this area are blue collar individuals who believe in a honest pay for an honest day. So when they hear about professors not getting along with their boss and voting against him (and it's been more than just Thames) they see no honor in that ans see you as weak and whiny. Just because you people have the time on your hands to post every 5 minutes doesn't mean everything at USM is falling apart. It seems like the faculty has there heads in the sand. Look, I was involved when GS broke out and got involved in it and thought it was terrible. I read the post on the FS board and this one as well. But in reality, it wasn't. When I washed my hands of the whole thing guess what? Life went on. I had the chance to take a look at it from the outside and in the grand scheme of things it just isn't of great importance. It is a shame because if USM closes up then the city of Hattiesburg will suffer, not only jobswise but the money generated by the students and sporting activities will no longer be there and hurt local businesses. In the end, it all depends where your priorites are kept. I'll be over here in the corner in case you want to call me closed minded, a troll, uneducated, or pick about my grammar and style--which I've always found that part of an argument interesting: always attack on a personal level instead of arguing facts/opinions."
quote: Originally posted by: 8675309 "You beat me to it."
<SARCASM> You've convinced me. South Mississippi doesn't really deserve a university. In that light, Shelby Thames has USM headed in the right direction. </SARCASM>
quote: Originally posted by: Simple "Perhaps a more parsimonious explanation for the news blackout is that maybe the Sun-Herald has little regard for USM/Gulf Park. Otherwise, they would pay more attention to USM-related things other than the Hattiesburg-based athletics."
Perhaps the answer is that the Sun-Herald, along with the Hattiesburg American, is not a large newspaper with a staff of investigative reporters. I wanted to say this back when HA conspiracy theories were floating around. It used to be very hard to get HA to cover any event, especially education related. What small newspapers do best is to print AP stories, the occasional column handed down by their parent company, and every once and a while, send out their limited number of reporters to cover an event. Now if you are the news manager at a small town paper, what are you going to say when a reporter comes to you day after day with story ideas from USM? You are probably going to say, "Son, we did that one last week, what's new?"
I'm not saying this is right, I am just simply pointing out that we do not have the New York Times in our backyard. These are small town newspapers with limited budgets and probably not the cream of the crop, seasoned journalists. What do you really expect?
Those two newspapers can't keep or attract good, seasoned journalists because of the way the bosses treat "the help." The companies have plenty of money to pay good salaries; they just don't keep the morons from rising to the top and making everyone else's lives miserable.
And this guy IS a troll - and the same troll, over and over again. He is a troll in soooo many ways.
quote: Originally posted by: asdf "Perhaps the answer is that the Sun-Herald, along with the Hattiesburg American, is not a large newspaper with a staff of investigative reporters. "
typewriter keys for the left hand,
What you say may be true. But you'd think the Sun-Herald would at least print USM news that does not require an investigative reporter.
quote: Originally posted by: hunt and peck " typewriter keys for the left hand, What you say may be true. But you'd think the Sun-Herald would at least print USM news that does not require an investigative reporter. "
Like the typewriter bit...
If the Sun Herald does not even bother to print press release type stories, then it is very possible that they believe that the coast community does not care much about USM, either gulf coast campus or Hattiesburg campus.
quote: Originally posted by: asdf "Are you referring to me? I sincerely hope not."
Some Beach,
When I first saw a posting by asdf, many weeks ago, I too thought it was from a troll. But I am convinced now asdf is not trolling. I think I thought that many weeks ago because said something minor that I didn't agree with. I realize now that that was dumb on my part. More recent posts by asdf have been quite good.
quote: Originally posted by: hunt and peck " Some Beach, When I first saw a posting by asdf, many weeks ago, I too thought it was from a troll. But I am convinced now asdf is not trolling. I think I thought that many weeks ago because said something minor that I didn't agree with. I realize now that that was dumb on my part. More recent posts by asdf have been quite good. "
Thanks for vouching for me, but I have been posting since the old FS board days. I don't post all of the time, but I do try to catch up on things at least a couple of times a week. When the spirit moves me, I post, other times I just read. I imagine many are out there like that. When I agree with things being said, I am less likely to post, don't see the reason for adding in "I agree" to a discussion. When I disagree with something being said, I am more likely to post; maybe this gives me a troll like quality since the behavior you are mostly likely to observe is me disagreeing.
quote: Originally posted by: asdf "When I agree with things being said, I am less likely to post, don't see the reason for adding in "I agree" to a discussion. When I disagree with something being said, I am more likely to post; maybe this gives me a troll like quality since the behavior you are mostly likely to observe is me disagreeing."
Good point. I can't even recall what you said that I disagreed with. You are clearly not a troll. Maybe Some Beach was referring to somebody else.
quote: Originally posted by: stinky cheese man "asdf--i'm like that too. people get on me sometimes, but i've got a hide thicker than a gator's."
stinky cheese man,
I once also thought you were a troll. I changed my mind rapidly as time passed and I saw more of your comments. I believe I initially characterized you that way because you do seem to share some characteristics with asdf.
hunt and peck--thanks. my new year's resolution was to read and post less. haven't lived up to it. i lurk some times, get wrapped up in some threads. but if i can bring some perspective to some threads, or engage in rumor control, then i'll chime in.
quote: Originally posted by: asdf " Perhaps the answer is that the Sun-Herald, along with the Hattiesburg American, is not a large newspaper with a staff of investigative reporters. I wanted to say this back when HA conspiracy theories were floating around. It used to be very hard to get HA to cover any event, especially education related. What small newspapers do best is to print AP stories, the occasional column handed down by their parent company, and every once and a while, send out their limited number of reporters to cover an event. Now if you are the news manager at a small town paper, what are you going to say when a reporter comes to you day after day with story ideas from USM? You are probably going to say, "Son, we did that one last week, what's new?" I'm not saying this is right, I am just simply pointing out that we do not have the New York Times in our backyard. These are small town newspapers with limited budgets and probably not the cream of the crop, seasoned journalists. What do you really expect?"
It sounds reasonable asdf. But the Clarion Ledger carries the important H.A. articles and even leads H.A. in editorials on the issues. When news makes the headlines in one paper, the issues pops up again as headlines several times over a couple of weeks, is picked up by another state paper in the same chain, and involves issues related to more than one site on the coast, I just expected something in the local paper. Maybe just a notice that "Gulf Park will no longer be giving accredited degrees" because of problems in Hattiesburg, but nothing major to worry about folks. You know, ease the people into the idea so no one will have a heart attack when SACS finds out Ken Malone started a MBA program on the coast without telling CoB and his credentials have no business expertise listed. “But that’s just me”. I’m funny that way.
quote: Originally posted by: 8675309 "Just because you people have the time on your hands to post every 5 minutes doesn't mean everything at USM is falling apart. It seems like the faculty has there heads in the sand. Look, I was involved when GS broke out and got involved in it and thought it was terrible. I read the post on the FS board and this one as well. But in reality, it wasn't. When I washed my hands of the whole thing guess what? Life went on. I had the chance to take a look at it from the outside and in the grand scheme of things it just isn't of great importance. It is a shame because if USM closes up then the city of Hattiesburg will suffer, not only jobswise but the money generated by the students and sporting activities will no longer be there and hurt local businesses.."
Number person,
New England Yankee took the view that USM is headed down the crapper anyway, along with the other state universities in Mississippi... and maybe the whole state.
In a wide enough scheme of things, it not only doesn't matter whether USM goes down the crapper, it wouldn't matter if U of Michigan or Vanderbilt or MIT were to go down the crapper. Presumably Homo sapiens would not become extinct on account of those losses; the sun wouldn't run out of fuel; and the universe wouldn't sink into permanent heat death.
So why worry about a blow to the economy of Hattiesburg, if USM is deaccredited and ends up closing its doors?
Keep in mind that the norm for small town newspapers is kissing up to the local establishment.
The Hattiesburg American has been bucking this trend for more than a year and a half. While the Hat Am has limited resources for investigative reporting, neither do most of the larger newspapers. (In South Carolina, none of the newspapers ever does investigative reporting. About anything.)
I do think that the reason the Sun-Herald is no longer even giving token coverage to USM is an intensified desire not to anger the local establishment. Its Southern Mississippi Business Journal venture needs the cooperation of the ADP and other "economic development" agencies. I don't think it's necessary to look any further for an explanation.
Whether the saga of the "Thames experiment" ends happily or dismally, what's been happening at USM under Thames has to be the story of the decade in the southern third of Mississippi. How could a real print journalist with a flair for a good story not realize that?