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Angel Eyes

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A staff member of the Dome that I am really close to told me that she is working out the details of a four-way conference call that is to take place next week sometime.  The locations are Hattiesburg-Starkville-Gulfport-West Point, and the participants are Thames-Freedman-Klumb-Ross.


What is cooking?



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Levitra

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First off, who are the players?  Thames=USM President and Klumb=IHL Board President.  What about the other two?


 



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Robert Campbell

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Ross is another Board member.

Freedman?

RC

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Salt Shaker

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Dean of the College of Business and Industry at Mississippi State!



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stephen judd

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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell

"Ross is another Board member. Freedman? RC"


Interesting:


trying to Google Freedman. Since Klumb and Ross have strong connections to MSU:






Freedman, Sara
Academic Deans Council

Freedman, Sara
Administrative Council

Freedman, Sara
Advancement Council

Freedman, Sara
Coordinating Committee for Programs in Public Education

Freedman, Sara
Research Council


This is from the MSU faculty staff online list. But I don't think this can be the right person.


Any other thoughts?


 


 



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Counting the days

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If I'm not mistaken - Freedman could be Sara Freedman - Dean of the College of Business and Industry, Miss. State University.


Interesting...


Count



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stephen judd

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Here it is:

Mississippi State University, College of Business and Industry
...State University, Mississippi College of Business and Industry, Mississippi State University, Dr. Sara Freedman, Dean ...... http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu/~COBI/faculty/index.shtml 1 Kb Cached
>> See more results like this from http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu (3 documents)

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stephen judd

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Yes -- and THAT is very interesting in light of the rumors . . .


 



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Dean Doty

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Hey, why am I not in the conference call?  I'm Dean right?



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Gone Not Returning

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Sources tell me that near 100% of the USM business faculty hope that they become part of MSU.



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Levitra

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So, here it is:


Thames=USM President; Klumb=IHL Board President; Ross=IHL Board Member; Freedman=MSU Business College Dean.


What's going on?


 



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Sheepskin

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Originally posted by: Gone Not Returning

"Sources tell me that near 100% of the USM business faculty hope that they become part of MSU."

no problem here . . . as long as all usm business degrees are retroactively reissued as msu degrees.

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Bluegrass musician

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Is it true that USM is falling apart at the seams while the alumni association fiddles like Nero?

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False Hopes

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No amount of Levitra will fix the ED problems at USM.  100% of the business faculty might indeed concur with this plan - not a bad exit strategy for everyone involved!  Too bad my good friend Sara tells me it's a hoax.

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Sheepskin

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Originally posted by: False Hopes
 "100% of the business faculty might indeed concur with this plan - not a bad exit strategy for everyone involved!  Too bad my good friend Sara tells me it's a hoax."

Then just reissue the degrees and ya'll keep the program.

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Long Ranger

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It's not a hoax.  SFT will create a quasi-business program.  I've heard some names are already being trial ballooned, such as "College of Economic Development and Free Enterprise," that will float business degrees under USM's banner.  They've easily got 10-15 faculty they could insert (if you count some people at the coast), and then make a rush to hire, possibly starting with adjuncts.  Klumb is all over this one --- tells GL and SFT it's another brilliant move.


 



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Renfield

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Don't overestimate opposition to an MSU takeover in the USM business community.  Many influential supporters like Bill Hudson "checked out" some time ago (Hudson withdrew roughly during the Spring of 2003).  Others, like Brad Brian, are staunch Thames people, and their loyalty to him supercedes any loyalty to b-school people.

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Wishful Thinking

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USM would be losing one of its major colleges with the most majors, perhaps some of the most able to become alumni donors, IT JUST DON"T MAKE SENSE, BUT WHAT HAS SINCE SFT TOOK OVER.  Still stumped at even the prospect.  Is there any campus in America that has one of its schools belonging to another university?  WTF?  B-schoolers shouldn't celebrate yet...this doesn't necessarily mean it is going to look like the same b-school arrangement...it might be a downsizing move, and then build up business programs at the rest of the schools, even like JSU...


Keep the corks on the champagne yet...you're still gonna be a red-headed step child.


 



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False Hopes

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Originally posted by: Long Ranger

"It's not a hoax.  SFT will create a quasi-business program.  I've heard some names are already being trial ballooned, such as "College of Economic Development and Free Enterprise," that will float business degrees under USM's banner.  They've easily got 10-15 faculty they could insert (if you count some people at the coast), and then make a rush to hire, possibly starting with adjuncts.  Klumb is all over this one --- tells GL and SFT it's another brilliant move.  "

The part that is a hoax is the MSU part.  That Shelby wants to "recreate" an unaccredited business program under the banner of Economic Development is absolutely true.  It's the fallback position since the B-school wouldn't roll over.  He's got all the pieces in place now.  If only he didn't have so many fires to put out or those d... faculty groups to deal with.  Most of this scheming was done last summer while the faculty were otherwise occupied.

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Invictus

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Originally posted by: False Hopes

"The part that is a hoax is the MSU part.  That Shelby wants to "recreate" an unaccredited business program under the banner of Economic Development is absolutely true."


Reducing USM's program to unaccredited status would have a positive impact on MSU by eliminating "superior" competition.



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Succotash

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At this juncture, I think H. Doty will be the last to know --- even if it's the day he's supposed to be moving to the service manager's desk at Albertson's.

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yep

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Originally posted by: Succotash

"At this juncture, I think H. Doty will be the last to know --- even if it's the day he's supposed to be moving to the service manager's desk at Albertson's."

He might end up as associate dean in the new structure.

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Robert Campbell

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If Thames isn't planning to deal the present College of Business to MSU, what is he planning to do?  Shut down the college, and every department in it?


Robert Campbell



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Dr. Whom

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Those of us who have to deal with the constant barrage of anti-business sentiment from the dome are in agreement: SFT will do whatever he can, whenever he can to pare down the number of business faculty to the bare minimum allowable under SACS/AACSB; in fact he will probably overshoot his goal and end up with the college very shorthanded.

It's a simple but brilliant plan, actually. Just deny funding for vacant faculty lines and other "usual" funding items whenever possible, and faculty will begin to leave. Once we lose AACSB, then he (or Ken malone, or whomever) can say "It's just too expensive to get AACSB back." The remainder of mobile faculty will leave, and those who are left will be put on a tremendous load. New hires will be non-terminally-qualified, so he can pay them less -- that's what Thames hates the most about the COB: its high salaries. What he is beginning to understand is that replacement costs for business faculty are rising sharply, and instructors are the only way to go to capture those dollars in excess of the salary paid to a PhD in chemistry, etc.

Bottom line: if the COB loses five more faculty in strategic positions, then the college will, in effect, be crippled beyond repair. Lose 2 marketing profs, 1 accounting prof, 1 MIS prof, and 1 finance prof, and you'll see that course offerings will be minimal in those areas, as the remaining faculty will have to struggle to offer the basic courses. Nothing the dean can do will undo what has been done, short of getting a shotgun and heading over to the dome. It's really too bad that the business community hasn't been more forceful with the IHL; I think that, ultimately, that's the only way for the university to come out of this alive, for alumni to raise hell with the college board and generate bad publicity.

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33 1/3

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Quality always wins out in the long run.  Patience and protection.  Someone is having some fun at the B-school's expense.  Don't jump on this one.

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33 1/3

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I wasn't referring to the legitimate concerns about the future of the business school; I meant the rumours about MSU.

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World Wide

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Originally posted by: 33 1/3

"Quality always wins out in the long run.  Patience and protection.  Someone is having some fun at the B-school's expense.  Don't jump on this one."

33 1/3, everything that was said in the post above yours is correct.  I know.  Many others do to.  You should head over to Greene Hall some time and find out for yourself.

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Dr. Whom

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This isn't a "jumping on." I have heard that in another department, a line will be left unfilled because "none of the candidates have work experience", i.e., no industry experience. What I heard was that several candidates did have "work experience" and that one actually worked for Bellsouth for 10 years! What else do you make of this? I believe the area in question is the smallest in the b-school, and they can't hire? Again, I don't think this is simple neglect; I think it's part of a plan to get down to trade school status and make a money grab for some salary lines.

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6 & 7/8s

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Originally posted by: 33 1/3

"I wasn't referring to the legitimate concerns about the future of the business school; I meant the rumours about MSU."


But is it not true that if SFT can cripple the USM b-school to the point that it loses its specialized accreditation, then it has no inherent "advantage" over MSU's unaccredited b-school. This would have the effect of "improving" the status of Klumb & Ross's alma mater.

A rising tide may lift all ships. But empty ships all ride higher in the water, too.



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Bird Dog

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Who said MSU is not accredited?  Of course it is!

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