quote: Originally posted by: MakeTheMost " . . this message sounds ridiculous. The "fate of low-income staff members" is up to the staff members, my friend. There are lots of jobs in Hattiesburg, not just at USM, and those low-paid staff members can get free classes to make up for low pay and move out to a better-paying job after earning a degree or two. . The classes that are free for the taking, and people who do not milk that for all it is worth are unable to throw stones at low salaries later on . . . Take the job for the opportunities and you are doing something for yourself."
MakeTheMost, your posting seems to project the view that persons who hold low-paid jobs are in that plight largely through laziness or lack of motivation. More specifically, it suggests that it would be a snap for those low-wage employees move elsewhere after "earning a degree or two." It's not that easy for a full-time low-wage employee, with a family to support, to earn "a degree or two." Ole Roy might be able to snap his fingers and perform such a miracle, but I doubt that most of the workers to whom you refer would be able to pull that off (in fact, I seriously doubt there are many faculty members who, if under similar circumstances, could pull that off very readily.
The people who are keeping USM afloat are the people who have 15+ years in the state retirement system and are too close to retirement to quit now. To tell a 50 year old person to get a degree and a new job is just flat unrealistic. Previous posters are correct that the job market in HB is not all that great. USM and FGH are two of the biggest, if not the biggest, employers, and neither is famous for high wages. Both institutions share the philosophy that your salary is not based on your individual skills and experience, but upon the worth of the position to the institution. Thus it does you no good to present yourself with 35 years of experience and two degrees. Ask me how I know. As for the people who were converted from state to private employees, I do know that in the case of the bookstore they lost the precious Christmas break that keeps many people working at USM.
I've stayed out of the debate about USM's recent contracts with Starbucks, Aramark, and Barnes and Noble almost entirely.
But at this point I have to say that I agree with several posters who regard it as a dangerous distraction. USM faculty who choose to focus on these particular deals (unless they actually involved kickbacks or sweetheart contracts for politically connected persons in Mississippi...) are going to get their lunch eaten by the Thames administration. And this is true despite the Thames administration's failure to provide complete or accurate financial figures that would show how the university benefited financially from the contracts.
In fact, lots of other state universities have privatized these particular functions and benefited from doing so. Clemson made a deal with Barnes and Noble to take over the bookstore nearly a decade ago. CU got a much better bookstore out of it--the old store, managed and staffed by state employees, was so inefficient that many of my colleagues on the faculty had stopped sending it their texbook orders, giving them exclusively to a private bookstore located off-campus. Now the bookstore gets everyone's book orders, and there are very few complaints.
Over the summer, I recall there were some allegations about how Barnes and Noble was going to jack up textbook prices as soon as it was established at USM and no one was paying attention. The prices of new textbooks are not controlled by Barnes and Noble or by any bookstore, but by the textbook publishers, and any store's margin on textbooks is very thin (which is why only stores that expect to move a lot of textbooks want anything to do with them). B and N annoys publishers because it aggressively stocks up on used copies of textbooks (including copies that it buys back from students) whenever it sees a market for them. Textbook prices are a real problem for our students... but maybe it's incumbent on us professors to assign or adopt textbooks as little as possible, since we don't seem to have any other leverage with the publishers.
Why USM didn't contract with some local businesses to provide food service, coffee, etc., I don't know. It may simply have been that Starbucks et al. bid lower. If the contracts were made without competitive bidding, then the lack of competitive bidding should be the focus--not the fact that USM made the contracts with private companies.
We may argue about whether state universities do the best job of delivering education. But there is no reason to think that state universities are going to do the best job of providing coffee, or selling books. In fact, there are lots of reasons to conclude that they won't.
quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell "I've stayed out of the debate about USM's recent contracts with Starbucks, Aramark, and Barnes and Noble almost entirely. But at this point I have to say that I agree with several posters who regard it as a dangerous distraction."
But here is no harm in expressing concern for low-wage employees who were in the state system for so long. We have addressed the concerns of higher paid faculty members. The lower paid employees have concerns of their own which should not be ignored by the university community.
robert--part of the concern about B & N operating the bookstore may have been based on experience with our old bookstore, which gouged students. markups of 20-40%. to relate a recent experience--one of my children could not get a book for a course--the bookstore had reordered but was unclear when it would come in. i said--let me try amazon. i ordered one. the bookstore got their copies in earlier (by 2 weeks) and at the same price i would have paid from amazon. cancelled the order with amazon.
quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell Why USM didn't contract with some local businesses to provide food service, coffee, etc., I don't know. It may simply have been that Starbucks et al. bid lower. If the contracts were made without competitive bidding, then the lack of competitive bidding should be the focus--not the fact that USM made the contracts with private companies. "
From the questions I have asked, all of the food contracts go through Aramark now. Therefore, the reason there is a Starbucks or who ever else on campus is because they have a preexisting contract with Aramark. As large as Aramark is, local chains are just not going to have that kind of marketing power.