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Date: Jan 6, 2005

RE: ad for International Development

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Whaddaya know
"snack"

Snacks are included? That's it, I'm sold!

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Munchies
"Snacks are included? That's it, I'm sold!"

Don't get so excited. It's airline food and airline prices.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

In looking up the fee schedule for International Development courses, I came across Ken Malone's syllabus.

See http://www.usm.edu/international/files/IDV730-Syllabus.pdf

I also enjoyed the program requirements that students submit a manuscript to a "perr-reviewed" journal. Acceptance not necessary...

Robert Campbell

Date: Jan 7, 2005

i've been preparing a syllabus for a grad class, so maybe i'm overly sensitive. i've got a hunch this course wouldn't meet SACS muster. what's the research component? in my shop this would best pass as an undergraduate class.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"In looking up the fee schedule for International Development courses, I came across Ken Malone's syllabus. See http://www.usm.edu/international/files/IDV730-Syllabus.pdf I also enjoyed the program requirements that students submit a manuscript to a "perr-reviewed" journal. Acceptance not necessary... Robert Campbell"

Maybe his mind was on Perrier - one of the "snacks"?

Date: Jan 7, 2005

What's the frequemcy, Kenneth?

Date: Jan 7, 2005

In all seriousness, I think "peer-reviewed journal" was an attempt to show rigor in a class (program) criticized for having none. It is characteristic of a number of things the program has done to try and present itself as more than it is. Even the silly survey discusses the "research" agenda. The act of saying something does not make it true. Remeber when Lassen talked about the importance of shared governance?

Wait 'til folks discover that "peer-reviewed" will end up being a new publication that endorses this program and is part of a new accrediting agency. Oops, did I really let that slip?

Date: Jan 7, 2005

scm,

It doesn' t look like a graduate course syllabus to me, either.

Robert Campbell

Date: Jan 7, 2005

Multiple questions:

1. What do the finance profs think of this?

2. What would a SACS examiner think?

3. Would AACSB care that finance is being taught outside of the business school?

Date: Jan 7, 2005

Absolutely fascinating. Where's the part that explains financing your Mom n Pop outfit when people drive past you on the their way to the Big Blue Store? And how many M&P outfits grow to be multinational? Gimme a break . . .

Date: Jan 7, 2005

One more question:

Did Grad council approve this course? If so, would the reorganized reorganization affect the approval?

Date: Jan 7, 2005

don't know whether the grad council approved. the reorganization would not affect it's approval (if it was).

Date: Jan 7, 2005

Well, well, well...

Since when did a big donation earn one a place on the faculty?

Surprise, surprise, surprise...

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: One good Return deserves another
"Well, well, well... Since when did a big donation earn one a place on the faculty? Surprise, surprise, surprise..."

I was dozing off at my computer until I saw your comment. Where did you get that idea? If that were true, I would be willing to come to campus personally, lock the outside doors, and throw away the keys.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"scm,
It doesn' t look like a graduate course syllabus to me, either.
Robert Campbell"

You gotta love that 50% for class discussion.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Money for SACS
"I was dozing off at my computer until I saw your comment. Where did you get that idea? If that were true, I would be willing to come to campus personally, lock the outside doors, and throw away the keys."

Locking yourself in or out?

Read today's additions to the Pay-Per-View program. Who said this website doesn't make a difference.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote: I I

Originally posted by: One good Return deserves another
" Locking yourself in or out?

Out, of course, Never again to return. And never to tell where the keys are hidden.

Read today's additions to the Pay-Per-View program.

I must be missing something because I don't understand this Pay-Per-View comment.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

The IDV website was updated today. One new addition was an extensive list of faculty members who, evidently, serve on committees for PhD students in the program. One of those individuals recently gave a nominally big donation to the program, or its master's affiliate.

Date: Jan 7, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Class SACS
"Multiple questions: 1. What do the finance profs think of this? 2. What would a SACS examiner think? 3. Would AACSB care that finance is being taught outside of the business school? "

The answer to your third question is "yes"; and, as an answer to your second, AACSB wouldn't think to well of this course, and its existence (and others like it) could jeopardize the college's accreditation.

Date: Jan 8, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Amy Young
"Be sure to check out the latest issue of The Economist! Right inside, opposite the table of contents is a full-page full color ad for the PhD program in International Development. This ad will run three times at $128,600 a pop. You can reach the ad by linking on the usm home page at the bottom, click on the International Development PhD program, then see the ad. Nearly a half a million dollars has been spent on this ad. I am stunned as we face fiscal cuts at USM. Amy Young"

FYI, there's no such ad anywhere in the January 1-7 UK edition, which I paged through here in Cambridge, where I'm doing research right now. I ended up buying the edition, actually, as it had some interesting looking articles. But no ad for USM.

Jameela

Date: Jan 8, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Jameela Lares
" FYI, there's no such ad anywhere in the January 1-7 UK edition, which I paged through here in Cambridge, where I'm doing research right now. I ended up buying the edition, actually, as it had some interesting looking articles. But no ad for USM. Jameela "

Jameela,

Thanks. You have probably just confirmed Amy Young's second post that if the ad is only run in North American editions, the cost (after paying for the ad development) would be $240,000. Still a huge chunk of change.

Date: Jan 8, 2005

The list of "Student Commitee Members" (right underneath the list of IDV faculty) is poorly edited--several people who are listed as faculty as also listed as committee members.

So who ponied up the big donation?

Robert Campbell

PS. How come they didn't list Angie Dvorak as a "student committee member." Has she sworn off involvement with the program?

Date: Jan 8, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Bad AD-itude
"
Jameela,
Thanks. You have probably just confirmed Amy Young's second post that if the ad is only run in North American editions, the cost (after paying for the ad development) would be $240,000. Still a huge chunk of change."

The odds are that very little was paid for designing the ad. A graphic designer friend of mine assures me it is very amateurish. Note how the perspective on the three faces is screwed up. The farthest face is much bigger than the closest. The smallest face which looks much more distant is in the middle. My friend pointed out all sorts of other layout flaws.