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Date: Dec 30, 2004

RE: SACS Probation Bailout

Date: Dec 30, 2004

Good Luck to ya, AE. And thanks for your efforts on behalf of all us alums. Happy New Year to you and yours.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: ram
"Good Luck to ya, AE. And thanks for your efforts on behalf of all us alums. Happy New Year to you and yours."

Thanks RAM. I'm assuming she'll agree to see me, if not this time, then when I return later in January. Though not an alum myself, I have a vested interest in restoring USM to it's former glory, and more. I'm getting jacked up for this trip by listening to a live performance of Nobel Prize nominee Dr. Bob Dylan and the Rolling Thunder Revue at Reed-Green Coliseum from 1976, courtesy of Dr. Invictus. Inspiring stuff...

AE

Date: Dec 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
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I've thought for some time that Hudson slipped the fateful envelope under Frank Glamser's door in December 2003--and leaked the questions about AD's vita to the press in January."

Robert,

I've espoused this theory for some time as well. In fact, I made reference to it on the old FS board about the time of the founding of the PUC and it was used to beat on me by the anti-PUCers of the time. He's the only one that I can see had any real incentive to slip the goods under the door...or have one of his allies do it. But, it's only theory and I would be surprised to ever see it proven.

I understand the point of view that administrators from the inside know how things work at the institution. When things aren't working, though, what difference does it make if they know how it "works"? Better we should have someone who can...I don't know... FIX IT!

By the way, RC, just read your article with Foddis on Self-Esteem. Intriguing piece and a challenge to my therapeutic mind. Can't help wondering what Ayn Rand would think of all these Hattiesburg goings-on.

Thanks,
DJ

Date: Dec 30, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Austin Eagle
" Thanks RAM. I'm assuming she'll agree to see me, if not this time, then when I return later in January. Though not an alum myself, I have a vested interest in restoring USM to it's former glory, and more. I'm getting jacked up for this trip by listening to a live performance of Nobel Prize nominee Dr. Bob Dylan and the Rolling Thunder Revue at Reed-Green Coliseum from 1976, courtesy of Dr. Invictus. Inspiring stuff... AE "

Invictus' recommendations are always good. Have a successful trip.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

DJ, Ayn Rand has been on my so-called mind lately too. Thanks for the reference. I always figured that you'd turn out to me one of the brave people.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Emma
"DJ, Ayn Rand has been on my so-called mind lately too. Thanks for the reference. I always figured that you'd turn out to me one of the brave people."

Thank, Emma. Just remember that the line between brave and foolish is thin and often blurred. Keep plugging!

Date: Dec 30, 2004

David,

Unfortunately, I believe you caught flak on the Fire Shelby board because of the contemporaneous spate of anti-Hudson posts that were blatantly pro-Thames or pro-Dvorak. Gary Stringer and, later, Frank Glamser had perfectly legitimate reasons to question AD's credentials...so did anyone else who got wind of what she was saying on her vita. But FG and GS took responsibility for what they said about AD's manner of representing herself--while TH, if it was truly he who did the leaking and the envelope-slipping--wasn't interested in taking responsibility.

In the piece I wrote with Walter Foddis, I've tried to make sense of narcissism and narcissistic personalities. As for Ayn Rand, in her fiction she was brilliant at exposing schemers and backstabbers and social climbers and people on the fast track to power. In her personal life...let's just say she wanted to set a better example, but fell a good distance short.

Robert

Date: Dec 30, 2004

She wouldn't be alone in that category, would she, Robert?

Actually, most of the flak I caught was because I suggested that some folks don't know who their real friends are in battle. I don't believe any one person holds the answers to this debacle, but I'm glad there are some pretty good minds on this board who are at least working on it.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

robert--i know that thames knew about hudson by april. i heard it was discussed with the IHL at the april meeting. by april the deans had caught hudson lying to them and lying to thames. hudson told one dean to not talk to thames about some lie and this dean did and that's when things began to fall apart for hudson. the deans wanted more and more direct access to thames because they couldn't trust hudson. why not fire him? good question. after the g & s fiasco i suspect that it would have produced more fireworks--look at how the :blame hudson" theme plays out here. hudson had built a network of friends, particularly in COAL, by playing an anti-thames card and years of international travel tickets.

as to AD's credentials, who got a copy to leak? who would have had access to them? i have always suspected it was a subordinate to hudson who could have easily moved through the LAB.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"uncle tim--i agree with your observation about tim's perception of angie--she was a competitor that had to be eliminated. but the fact she was a woman made tim doubly (or triply) motivated to eliminate her. two important dates--Dec. 7 and Dec 10, 2003. some of you supersleuths need to check out a timing issue. "

December 7, 2003-- a couple of days earlier the AAUP (led by chapter president Dr. Frank Glamser) had voted unanimously to formally ask the IHL Board to audit the fall enrollment numbers, specifically, the 700 graduate students who had been enrolled then dropped as a result of "flaws" in the university's continuous enrollment policy.

December 10, 2003-- Dr. Tim Hudson attributed the discrepancies to "human error." USM announced that "due to problems in successfully implementing the continuous enrollment policy," Dr. Susan Siltanen had resigned as director of the Institutional Research Office.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

ah googler--good so far, but something else happened around them. don't suspect it will appear in a google search, but another event occurred.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

googler, sorry. try for the 11th of December.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"googler, sorry. try for the 11th of December."

Got it, stinky. December 11, 2003-- the date the infamous manila envelope containing the Dvorak documents arrived in Dr. Frank Glamser's office, setting off a chain of events from which the university truly may never recover.

Date: Dec 30, 2004

googler--excellent! if plan A doesn't oust thames, then go to plan B.