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Originally posted by: mace
"Does anyone know which 2 USM programs are not accredited by their respective academic organizations? (112 of USM's "114 degree programs" are accredited, reportedly...though I believe nearly all of the accrediting associations rescind their departmental accreditations if the school as a whole loses its overall accreditation). "

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Is this a 20-questions type of game, or do you know the answer and will so inform us? If it's 20 questions, I'll ask the lst question: Is one of them in COST?

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Originally posted by: mace
"Sorry if it seemed like a 20-questions game. It is not. I honestly do not know which 2 programs are not accredited and was genuinely curious what they are & why they're not."

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I am also curious, mace. Surely someone from each of those two departments views this board. Speak up, children, speak up. Name your department.

can you direct to the passage where this statement is made?

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"i found it. nevermind."

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http://www.usm.edu/pr/SACS/fsasf.html

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12/10 American

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Originally posted by: Let me count the ways
"Yes you are missing something. There are quite a few accredited graduate/professional programs at USM including nursing, psychology, social work to name only three of them.  "

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qwerty, I'd like to add one more thing to my response. I can understand why you asked your question. USM has evidently put out so much misleading information that it is very difficult for an outsider to determine whether or not a USM-generated statement is true.

Degree program #1 - Master's in economic development
Degree program #2 - doctorate in economic development

When you're the only one in the country, who is there to accredit you, non?

Jean Moulin,

Where exactly are the faculty positions being taken out of, and where are they being added?

I assume that these are the changes that were brought up in connection with the Thames' administrations drive to maximize grant-funded research.

Robert Campbell

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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"Jean Moulin, Where exactly are the faculty positions being taken out of, and where are they being added? I assume that these are the changes that were brought up in connection with the Thames' administrations drive to maximize grant-funded research. Robert Campbell"

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Don't know and can't find out.  I've heard that Bateman of Council of Chairs tried to find out and was told by Exline that "the deans know; ask them."  But if the deans know, they aren't talking.  The party line that deans and provost carefully reviewed departmental needs, plans, etc. to arrive at joint decisions about positions is crap; C. Moore is dictating behind the scenes, which ensures that vindictiveness will reign supreme.  The closest thing to a rationale provided for reallocation is anticipated "Return on Investment."  So, yes, most likely the push to maximize funded research is a driving force.  Another cherished SFT goal, however -- rapidly growing the student population -- will likely be damaged by a scaling back of program offerings forced by faculty cuts.

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Originally posted by: Jean Moulin
"The closest thing to a rationale provided for reallocation is anticipated "Return on Investment."  So, yes, most likely the push to maximize funded research is a driving force.  Another cherished SFT goal, however -- rapidly growing the student population -- will likely be damaged by a scaling back of program offerings forced by faculty cuts."

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JM,

Undergraduates don't work as research assistants or otherwise make significant contributions to grant-funded research.  So if grant-funded research is to be maximized at the expense of everything else, undergraduates are just in the way, and undergraduate enrollment needs to be minimized.  (Of course, undergraduate enrollment actually brings in tuition dollars, but in Thames' worldview, these don't count).

University presidents often announce simultaneous allegiance to contradictory goals, but few of them have pushed the contradictions as far as Thames has.

Robert Campbell

 

Robert Campbell has an excellent point. Universities that absolutely have research as their primary goal commonly have very limited undergraduate enrollment and have many graduate only departments. Their is a significant disconnect here.