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Below is a news story on Auburn's football recruiting efforts from last year.  It points out that Tuberville had a big problem with parents' concerns over Auburn's SACs troubles.  He was quoted in many news stories saying that what other SEC coaches were telling kids about Auburn's SACS troubles was doing him much more harm in recruiting than the jetgate scandal from November of last year.


This does not sound good for Bower & Co.


Here it is:


Auburn wins in recruiting

By Clay Harris
Associate Sports Editor
February 12, 2004

He did it again.



Auburn football commitments

- Octavious Balkcom (LB)
- Tony Bell (DB)
- Calvin Booker (QB)
- Jason Bosely (OL)
- Chris Browder (DL)
- Neil Brown (DL)
- Anthony Campbell (ATH)
- Antowin Daniels (OL)
- Tristan Davis (DB)
- Chris Evans (LB)
- Blake Field (QB)
- Steve Gandy (DB)
- Tyronne Green (DL)
- Courtney Harden (LB)
- Leon Hart (OL)
- Kenny Irons (ATH)
- Merrill Johnson (LB)
- Brad Lester (RB)
- Mike McLaughlin (RB)
- Korey Raymond (DL)
- Pat Sims (DL)
- Greg Smith (OL)
- William Sullivan (OL)
- James Swinton (WR)
- Jerald Watson (RB)
- John Watts (OL)


Head coach Tommy Tuberville and his staff came through in the clutch to pull off another strong recruiting class.

The Tigers added 26 signees Feb. 4 from the class of 2004.

“It was good year for us,” Tuberville said. “We obviously had to fight through a lot of things in the last month. We had to answer a lot more questions than you would ever want to answer or have to answer in a recruiting situation. I thought our coaches with their backs against the wall did an excellent job.”

But the road was not as smooth as in years past, for Tuberville and company had to overcome more problems than usual.

With questions about Tuberville and his staff’s job security, in addition to SACS probation looming over

The Plains, the recruiting process went from 20 to 100 questions with every visit.

Before the Bobby Petrino incident and the notification by SACS, Auburn had 12 commitments. Recruiting slowed to a snail’s pace after those events.

“The SACS situation was on all the parents’ minds,” Tuberville said. “Our coaches did an excellent job of explaining the SACS situation to them … One other thing that was used against us quite often was job security. People were telling recruits that our job security was in jeopardy.”

Despite the rumors, the recruiting process went into warp speed the last week with seven recruits committing to the Tigers.

According to rivals.com, Auburn signed three four-star recruits in Leon Hart (OL), Tony Bell (DB) and Pat Sims (DL), as well as eight three-star recruits in Steve Gandy (DB/ LB), Neil Brown (DL), Tristan Davis (DB), Chris Browder (DL), Brad Lester (RB) Octavious Balkcom (LB), Calvin Booker (QB) and Courtney Harden (LB). The rest of the class is rated as two-star recruits.

The Tigers ended with 10 line recruits, five on both sides of the ball, with Hart, the most significant signee, on the offensive front and Sims on defensive front.

According to ESPN.com, Auburn signed two Top 100 recruits in Hart and speedster Gerald Watson (RB).

Watson, a former LSU commitment, switched to the Tigers in January.

Once again Auburn spread across the Southeast, signing players from Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina and South Carolina.

Auburn struggled in their home state by landing only seven recruits from Alabama including Bell, from Alabaster. However, the Tigers succeeded in Georgia with eight recruits.

Auburn continued to dip into the junior college pool by signing Browder and re-signing former Auburn commitment David Irons (DB). The Tigers also convinced Irons’ brother, Kenny Irons (ATH), to come to The Plains after he started seeking a transfer from the University of South Carolina.

Auburn added Booker of Atlanta, and Blake Field of Tallahassee, Fla., to its plethora of quarterbacks.

The Tigers also signed five linebackers, three running backs, two athletes and one wide receiver to the class of 2004.

According to Rivals.com, Auburn brought in the No. 21 recruiting class, the first time in two years Auburn hasn’t placed within the top 20.

“There are a lot of players that we signed that probably no one else would look at,” Tuberville said.

“We look for not only players for next year, but ones who are going like Spencer Johnson and Dontarrious Thomas, the ones that are going to come in undersized, but who are going to have the potential to reach our goals. And there are a lot of guys on this list that are like that,” he said.



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Curmudgeon

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After all the problems of the last two years, I'm surprised that freshman enrollment held steady this fall. Perhaps prospective USM students don't read the papers or have limited options. One would predict that the university's current probation status would severely depress new student recruitment and accelerate transfers out, but the record doesn't suggest that.

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stinky cheese man

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i was driving into campus this afternoon and saw an Ole Miss recruiting van on Hardy Street. They've heard!

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New Adjunct

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Originally posted by: Curmudgeon
"After all the problems of the last two years, I'm surprised that freshman enrollment held steady this fall. Perhaps prospective USM students don't read the papers or have limited options. One would predict that the university's current probation status would severely depress new student recruitment and accelerate transfers out, but the record doesn't suggest that."


My students were mostly freshmen, and didn't seem to know anything about the recent history. Not that I spoke about it, although I did recently give one student this web address because it was germane to an assignment.

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Seeker

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My students were mostly freshmen, and didn't seem to know anything about the recent history. Not that I spoke about it, although I did recently give one student this web address because it was germane to an assignment."


Interesting you wouldn't be playing politics from the lecturn would you? Certainly you wouldn't be doing that, nor would you be giving grades or points for attending protests. Certainly you wouldn't be giving favorible references to students who do your bidding thru the Students Printz?

I didn't think so, but had to ask.

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Moe

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" Interesting you wouldn't be playing politics from the lecturn would you? Certainly you wouldn't be doing that, nor would you be giving grades or points for attending protests. Certainly you wouldn't be giving favorible references to students who do your bidding thru the Students Printz? I didn't think so, but had to ask."
Seeker, the mere fact that you asked such a question shows you don't know a diddly **** about academics or acdemicians.

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Seeker

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"Seeker, the mere fact that you asked such a question shows you don't know a diddly **** about academics or acdemicians."


That's true, I don't know much about academians, I am a Southern Miss grad. But, I do know quite a bit about faculty members at Southern Miss.

Many are outstanding, true scholars, ethics without reproach. But, some are not, and are vastly lacking in integrity. If this my above post dosen't apply to you then, why are taking offense? Or did I hit a bit too close to home?

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New Adjunct

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Originally posted by: Seeker
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Interesting you wouldn't be playing politics from the lecturn would you? Certainly you wouldn't be doing that, nor would you be giving grades or points for attending protests. Certainly you wouldn't be giving favorible references to students who do your bidding thru the Students Printz?

I didn't think so, but had to ask."


This is an ugly low blow at Frank Glamser, and it is an issue which was debated, explained, and I THOUGHT settled some time ago. You must have missed the part about Rachel Quinlivan having had an internship lined up PRIOR to the Glamser-Stringer debacle.

As for the other, I did not bring up matters to my students for several reasons:
1. As freshmen, their main concern should be their courses and getting adjusted to college life. I don't think that freshmen should even be pledging sororities and fraternities the first semester.

2. I would have loved to talk about these things, and I trust myself to do so fairly and objectively, just as I handled discussions about the election and about the bond issues.

3. I am a known foe of the present administration, and frankly I wanted to have the fun of teaching once again without worrying whether I was about to be fired at any moment. After what was done to Dr. Stevenson, how safe is a lowly adjunct? My paperwork was screwed up at the beginning, and I took that as a warning.

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New Adjunct

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N.B. Seeker, do you actually KNOW what an adjunct is??

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Spectator Sport

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" 3. I am a known foe of the present administration, and frankly I wanted to have the fun of teaching once again without worrying whether I was about to be fired at any moment. After what was done to Dr. Stevenson, how safe is a lowly adjunct? My paperwork was screwed up at the beginning, and I took that as a warning. "
I have the feeling that New Adjunct, lowly or not, could have eaten Ken Malone alive and, I for one, think it would have been fun to watch!

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Seeker

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It means that:

1) You are a professional (outside the University)that teams a couple of classes a semester as needs arise.

2) You a PHD that can't get a job in the private sector, and the University dosen't think highly enough of you to hire you full time and put you on a tenue track?

I have a personnel feeling into which catagory you probably fall, but will keep that to myself.

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New Adjunct

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Seeker, you obviously think that #2 is the winning option, and you would be wrong. I do not have a PhD. I do have many years of experience in the so-called "real world" as well as a Master's degree in my subject, and I happened to be available in an emergency. I passionately love my subject and I love my students and I love teaching, but you could not pay me enough to take a full time professorship at USM even if I met the qualifications. Or have you not noticed the exodus?


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ram

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"  If this my above post dosen't apply to you then, why are taking offense? Or did I hit a bit too close to home?"

That's a neat trick: insult someone and then say "Oh, if it doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't take any offense."  That let's you be as rude as you want to be and then blame the victim of your presumption.  I'll have to remember that when I want to be a real jackass.


No offense, of course.



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Seeker

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That's a neat trick: insult someone and then say "Oh, if it doesn't apply to you, you shouldn't take any offense."  That let's you be as rude as you want to be and then blame the victim of your presumption.  I'll have to remember that when I want to be a real jackass.
No offense, of course."


Please by all means borrow any of my posting techniques that you wish. Imitation is the sincerest form of admiration. I am quite flattered.

You guys still don't get it, I want what you want I just have a different approach. Isn't my end result all that matters? I am much like Frank and Gary.....I am no a nobel quest.....the betterment of USM and the ousting of SFT. Why should it matter what road I take in my quest. It didn't matter what direction that F&G took? They were on a nobel quest, to discredit Dvorak. What's the difference?

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Teacher, teacher, he hit me. Whiiiiiiinnnneeee

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"It means that . . . You a PHD that can't get a job in the private sector, and the University dosen't think highly enough of you to hire you full time and put you on a tenue track?"
Seeker, over the past few months you have done nothing but complain. You have complained about the faculty. You have complained about the head football coach. You have complained about Professor Glamser. And now you are complaining about an adjunct. There is much to complain about, Seeker, but You don't seem to know what are legitimate complaints. When I was in elementary school we referred to chronic complainers as "whiners." Whiners were not liked very well by their classmates.  Now you don't want to become known as a whiner, do you?

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New Adjunct

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What I liked is that he insulted me after I had just said that I didn't discuss any of this in class!! So what was that about anyway?

For the record, though, I failed to complete my second reason for NOT discussing in class, and that was, while I trusted myself to be objective, I didn't think I could trust freshmen to accurately quote me outside the classroom, and I didn't want to get a lot of stuff stirred up. Besides, I was having a hard enough time teaching people to write complete sentences.

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Seeker

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Originally posted by: Teacher, teacher, he hit me. Whiiiiiiinnnneeee
"Seeker, over the past few months you have done nothing but complain. You have complained about the faculty. You have complained about the head football coach. You have complained about Professor Glamser. And now you are complaining about an adjunct. There is much to complain about, Seeker, but You don't seem to know what are legitimate complaints. When I was in elementary school we referred to chronic complainers as "whiners." Whiners were not liked very well by their classmates.  Now you don't want to become known as a whiner, do you?"


Please, I have never complained about Bower. I was the first person to alert you that Thames was at one point planning to oust him. As I undersand it now, he's not in the crosshairs at this point.

I didn't complain, I just wanted to assure myself that he was not attempting to play politics from the lecturn. That's all plain and simple.

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Greybeard

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Originally posted by: Seeker
"It means that:

1) You are a professional (outside the University)that teams a couple of classes a semester as needs arise.

2) You a PHD that can't get a job in the private sector, and the University dosen't think highly enough of you to hire you full time and put you on a tenue track?

I have a personnel feeling into which catagory you probably fall, but will keep that to myself."


What does it mean to "team" a class?

"You a PhD" is an interesting way to put things.

You haven't lost your touch, Seeker. Your university is going in the tank, and you are still bitching about faculty members.

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Seeker

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When all else fails go for the throat - typo's and spelling.

If we had effective faculty members, and faculty leadership, Thames would have been gone months ago. But, you guys still don't get it.

I have writtine letters to every member of the college board addressing my disdane for the situation here at Southern Miss. I have been calling for Thames to either be removed or to step down for as long as many of you. The only difference is that I don't place 100% of the blame on Thames for what his happening.

You are right the University is going down the tank, but it started long before Thames was appointed.

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Private First Class Reporting, Sir

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"You are You a PHD that can't get a job in the private sector..."

You not only seem to harbor disdain for the administration of your university, Seeker, you seem to harbor disdain for the public sector in general. I'd say your knowledge of football great enough for you to understand, so I'll put it like this: The university at which Tommy Tuberville is head coach is a public one (Auburn). Bob Stoops (Oklahoma) is also head coach at a public university. And there is Bobby Bowden (Florida State: public), Nick Sabin (LSU: public); Frank Beamer (Virginia Tech: public), Mac Brown (Texas: public), not to mention the successful head coaches at other strong football programs at public universities (e.g., Iowa, Michigan). Do you think these head coaches don't defect to private universities because they can get jobs there? Your logic defies me.


 



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stephen judd

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"When all else fails go for the throat - typo's and spelling. If we had effective faculty members, and faculty leadership, Thames would have been gone months ago. But, you guys still don't get it. I have writtine letters to every member of the college board addressing my disdane for the situation here at Southern Miss. I have been calling for Thames to either be removed or to step down for as long as many of you. The only difference is that I don't place 100% of the blame on Thames for what his happening. You are right the University is going down the tank, but it started long before Thames was appointed."

You are absolutely right Seeker - most faculty members don't maker really good overthrowers of college presidents.  Could be most of us don't spend a lot of time training for that particular set of skills. We may argue with each other a lot but it tends to run counter to the academic culture to move in the direction of chaos . . .


Maybe I'm crazy -- this is only my sixth university (and don't get it wrong, my moves were of my own choosing) -- but when I got here in 1998 this university was on a roll. I remember very well the sense of energy and excitement. The Technology Wars were still new -- but every university worth a damn was going through that at the time and at least half of them got it wrong -- even some majors. A year later, you are right, things began to come apart. But in my mind what began to come apart was the shift in the economy. My first year here I got a 4% raise. The following year none. From there on in the money started to tighten again at all levels. I'm not saying the Flemming administration was perfect -- but I think the economy going south combined with the alums and other constituencies who began to agitate for change of leadership hurt us more. I'd bet that if we had not had a chnage in administration we would be ready for SACs. The things that SACs had wanted addressed were part of the reorganizing going on around the Strategic Plan which was designed to getprograms to spell this stuff out -- check it out I still have my department's old documents. But that plan was junked and NOT REPLACED. We've been operating on empty for three years now -- it took three years to get the University's new Goals posted on the website.


Other folks who have been here longer and maybe were higher up in admin or faculty governance over that period might have a better and more accurate view than mine, but that is what I saw from my then much more limited perspective.


 



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Seeker

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You know something Dr Judd......

I have a great deal of respect for you. For two reasons:

1) you don't hide behind a moniker (like me)
2) I believe you make a concerted effort to do what you believe is right. I just wish I had the same feeling about more of the faculty.


I may not always agree with you 100%, but I do respect your opinion. And, your theory of the economic downturn is probably about as accurate as anything ever posted on the board.

Don't forget, I want SFT gone too.

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BOGUS Customer Service

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" You are absolutely right Seeker - most faculty members don't maker really good overthrowers of college presidents.  Could be most of us don't spend a lot of time training for that particular set of skills. We may argue with each other a lot but it tends to run counter to the academic culture to move in the direction of chaos . . . "
Could we please get one of those BOGUS on-line diplomas in the overthrowing of college presidents?  There appears to be a market.

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stephen judd

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"You know something Dr Judd...... I have a great deal of respect for you. For two reasons: 1) you don't hide behind a moniker (like me) 2) I believe you make a concerted effort to do what you believe is right. I just wish I had the same feeling about more of the faculty. I may not always agree with you 100%, but I do respect your opinion. And, your theory of the economic downturn is probably about as accurate as anything ever posted on the board. Don't forget, I want SFT gone too."

Well Seeker I appreciate that . . . I have to be fair and admit that I do occasionally use another identity which I try fairly hard only to use when I have something to say that might result in misfortune for some other folks I care for if they are associated with me . . . but generally I try to be up front.


 



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New Adjunct

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You know what really bothers me about Seeker? He's probably cute and charming as the dickens and I would probably love him to pieces if I knew him (don't worry, son, I could be your granny.) It's just that sometimes I want to throttle him. He can make me madder, quicker, than almost anybody else on this board. Reminds me of a boy I once raised.

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Seeker

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Someday in the future when this mess is all over and the ship has been righted, you'll all be sitting in an AAUP meeting wondering who the new guy in the back is that you don't reconize. You'll assume that it's a reporter, but won't know why he's there. And, I'll come introduce myself and take off this mask.

I expect that someone will have to restrain foot soilder as he attempts to strangle me, I will probably deserve it, but never the less.

I will one day remove the mask. And it will be a shock to many of you.

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stephen judd

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"You know what really bothers me about Seeker? He's probably cute and charming as the dickens and I would probably love him to pieces if I knew him (don't worry, son, I could be your granny.) It's just that sometimes I want to throttle him. He can make me madder, quicker, than almost anybody else on this board. Reminds me of a boy I once raised. "
Reminds me of some of my students sometimes . . . but at least he is mentally agile (even if his spelling sometimes leaves something to be desired.) Don't take insult SEEKER -- I've already apologized elsewhere on this board for my less than nimble fungers (oops -- see there?)

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"You know what really bothers me about Seeker? He's probably cute and charming as the dickens and I would probably love him to pieces if I knew him (don't worry, son, I could be your granny.) It's just that sometimes I want to throttle him. He can make me madder, quicker, than almost anybody else on this board. Reminds me of a boy I once raised. "


I'm with you on that one, and I'm a couple of kids' grampaw. I really appreciate your contributions to the board, New Adjunct. I hope we can meet for coffee someday.

Frank Glamser

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stephen judd

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" I'm with you on that one, and I'm a couple of kids' grampaw. I really appreciate your contributions to the board, New Adjunct. I hope we can meet for coffee someday. Frank Glamser"

Hey Frank! Glad you are on board . . . I understand you actually have a little coffee planned for tomorrow, in fact.


Best wishes.



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