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Mony Mony

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The University has 14 days to comply with a FOIA filed this week by the HA to see all records pertaining to development accounts, 2003-2004 year-end reports, and the budget for 2004-2005. The FOIA was sent to Thames, Mader, and Lassen.



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Originally posted by: Mony Mony
"The University has 14 days to comply with a FOIA filed this week by the HA to see all records pertaining to development accounts, 2003-2004 year-end reports, and the budget for 2004-2005. The FOIA was sent to Thames, Mader, and Lassen. "


Hey Mony Mony, what is your source for this? I didn't see anything on the HA website.

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Mony Mony

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" Hey Mony Mony, what is your source for this? I didn't see anything on the HA website."
It wasn't on the website. Check the print edition, page 2A.

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Tom Paine

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Originally posted by: Mony Mony
"The University has 14 days to comply with a FOIA filed this week by the HA to see all records pertaining to development accounts, 2003-2004 year-end reports, and the budget for 2004-2005. The FOIA was sent to Thames, Mader, and Lassen. "
This is an excellent, potentially explosive, development.  It means that the HA knows that the Thames tyranny is playing funny with the money, and apparently has decided to act like a real newspaper and do some investigative reporting.  Serious and sustained scrutiny could mark the start of a great unraveling of this despicable regime.  FOLLOW THE MONEY!

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ram

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As long as they are asking, I hope they will ask for documentation that will disclose where the $3,000,000 to complete the Trent Lott Center has been hiding and how much is still hiding there.

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truth4usm/AH

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Thank you, Jesus!  I've been saying "follow the money" since the beginning of all this mess.  If you want to get SFT, you have to hit him where it hurts.  They've been playing "funny money" since the very beginning...it's all he knows how to do (he certainly doesn't know how to run a university properly!).


Thank the heavens above that the HA finally got some sense!



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Invictus

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Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"Thank the heavens above that the HA finally got some sense!"


We can only hope the university provides a meaningful response to the request.

We can only hope that someone at the HA has the sense (and accounting background) to decipher what the university provides.

Then we can only hope that the HA editorial board sees fit to publish its findings.

Personally, I don't think there's much to hope for.

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Austin Eagle

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Originally posted by: Invictus
" We can only hope the university provides a meaningful response to the request. We can only hope that someone at the HA has the sense (and accounting background) to decipher what the university provides. ..."

Provided that Thames et al actually provide the requested records, sorting them out would seem to demand the expertise of an independent forensic accountant.  I wonder if the HA budget allows for the employment of such experts.  I doubt they have any in-house.


AE



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fallen eagle

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Originally posted by: Invictus
" We can only hope the university provides a meaningful response to the request. We can only hope that someone at the HA has the sense (and accounting background) to decipher what the university provides. Then we can only hope that the HA editorial board sees fit to publish its findings. Personally, I don't think there's much to hope for."

If this FOIA request is as effective as the last one, I won't hope for much of anything substantive coming out in the paper.  Remember, the American filed a FOIA request over the Glamser/Stringer "e-mail monitoring" - - - after much foot-dragging by the Kentucky Mafia, the response was "no written records were maintained."


Under these circumstances, can we expect any honest reply from the Dome Gnome crew?


 



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Long Gone Never Returning

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At least the Hattiesburg American pretends to care about the facts.  Your Office of State Auditor continues to ignore the questions raised about legal/proper accounting standards accountability of tax dollars and state-federal monies at USM.  Maybe those that continue to care about USM will live to see the day that proper accountability will be the norm on campus.  Until the Hattiesburg American or other news organizations and/or state and federal auditors demand to see the transfers between state accounts, development accounts, and foundation accounts there will never be an honest and open accounting for the smoke and mirrors that USM is using to conceal its nightmare. Just go back through the departures in financial affairs - you have no institutional knowledge left; how many are left to let others know this is how and why accounting and legal requirements have to be done to be in compliance with expenditure requirements?  Left and never to return.

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Arnold

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I predict that they will say that Tim Hudson destroyed the records.

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Let Freedom Ring

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"I predict that they will say that Tim Hudson destroyed the records."

You put a simley face at the end there, Arnold, but it wouldn't surprise me if your prediction comes true!


 


No Quarter!



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Invictus

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Originally posted by: Austin Eagle
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Provided that Thames et al actually provide the requested records, sorting them out would seem to demand the expertise of an independent forensic accountant.  I wonder if the HA budget allows for the employment of such experts.  I doubt they have any in-house.
AE"


Returning to this topic after a little rumination...

First, to respond to AE -- if the HA had real reason to suspect that there is a serious story behind this FOIA, they would have the corporate resources of Gannett. And there just might be those kinds of experts waiting in the "mother ship." The operative question is, "Is the Hattiesburg American fishing or hunting?"

Given that the HA is homing in on the development accounts, I wonder.

Second, I think we can expect some degree of resistance from USM, at least on the "all records pertaining to development accounts" part of the request, since some aspects of the development accounts could be construed as "protected." By that I mean that the university may not have to disclose specific private donor information. Someone with more knowledge about the legal aspects of FOIA & privacy will have to comment on this...





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Gossip Monger

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"I predict that they will say that Tim Hudson destroyed the records."
I believe those financial records still exist. Rumor has it they were smuggled off campus last summer in the trousers of Tim Hudson, who'd been inspired by the document smuggling success of former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger.  Apparently the HA neglected to include documents concealed in Hudson's trou in their FOIA request, so for now they're unavailable for inspection.

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The Shadow

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"I believe those financial records still exist. Rumor has it they were smuggled off campus last summer in the trousers of Tim Hudson, who'd been inspired by the document smuggling success of former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger.  Apparently the HA neglected to include documents concealed in Hudson's trou in their FOIA request, so for now they're unavailable for inspection. "


The documents or his trousers?

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