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truth4usm/AH

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http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20041109/localnews/1562849.html


Money quote:


"That's a sticky situation," said SGA president Walt Cain. "That's one that we're very slowly moving through so that when we act it's responsible and effective at the same time."


Wait a minute!  That's not how der Fuhrer...er, Shelboo would act!  He would move decisively without consulting pesky stakeholders.  Walt better go back to the Shelby Freland Thames School of Outlaw Management and learn a thing or two!



PS--Read further down in the article for Angie D.'s take on the situation and the description of her "juggling" her two jobs (can you say "confict of interest" three times fast?) until Jan. 1.  Does this means she gets to double-dip at USM and at ADP for 2 months?  Now, that's some economic development!



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Tiger

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Oh, so now the administration don't seem to have a problem with "protests" at athletic events? I seem to remember students getting in trouble for having pro-faculty signs at a basketball game during the G/S situation. I can't imagine they would have alllowed pro-faculty flyers to be distributed during a game back then. I guess as long as your protest is "pro-USM" then it is your right.


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truth4usm/AH

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"Oh, so now the administration don't seem to have a problem with "protests" at athletic events? I seem to remember students getting in trouble for having pro-faculty signs at a basketball game during the G/S situation. I can't imagine they would have alllowed pro-faculty flyers to be distributed during a game back then. I guess as long as your protest is "pro-USM" then it is your right. "
Great, great point, Tiger.  Yes, the students who held up signs in protest of the administration at that basketball game were harrassed by the USM police.  Qualified freedom of expression, indeed.

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Emma

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Unbelievable. Did you see Shelboo's response?  He talks about it like it's the students' right to act against any group that acts "against" what Shelby wants.  How can the fact that a bond issue meant for specific purposes (nonacademic) that was voted down, become an all encompassing anti-USM stance? It might be anti-more taxes, or anti-Shelby, or anti-Boneheaded moves by Ninnys R Us. But to even infer that the vote was simply anti-USM just goes to show what a ludicrous situation this is.

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educator

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These businesses obviously didn't want the tax because they saw it as adverse as far as maintaining and continuing to see their businesses grow. How many businesses that did not support the tax would have had a potential loss of customers had the tax passed?? People only have so much money, and it is their right to choose how to spend it when a bond is put up for a vote. I too can not believe that USM will continue to allow this to become so political. Rut-roh.

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stinky cheese man

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i am amused by people on this discussion board having trouble with the students doing precisely what people on the old FS board wanted to do with Purple Parrot (sp?).  some restaurants did not oppose the bond issue--the ad in the HA identified some.  economic boycotts cut both ways. 

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The Shadow

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"i am amused by people on this discussion board having trouble with the students doing precisely what people on the old FS board wanted to do with Purple Parrot (sp?).  some restaurants did not oppose the bond issue--the ad in the HA identified some.  economic boycotts cut both ways.  "


That's apples and oranges, Cheese Man. The restaurants opposed a tax on restaurants. They did not attack the university. The co-owner of Crescent City attacked the faculty directly in a letter to the editor. Plus, no one tried to get the students involved.

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educator

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I don't recall anyone from this Board, talking for this Board, to the HA saying that we were going to boycott the PP in protest. We said it among ourselves on this Board but I can't recall anyone, taking it upon him or herself to speak to the HA on the behalf of this Board.  I don't see any clear parallels at all.

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stinky cheese man

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bull--whether public or private, the intent was the same in each case.  show those who disagree with us that we have economic power.  nothing novel.  it's been done before.  it has nothing to do with this "board."  this "board" is but a number of people that like to interact on it.  we have no power other than the power of social influence.  same with the SGA.  they aren't very powerful with the majority of students. 

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stinky cheese man

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to add to the HA idea.  this board is a fair-weather fan when it comes to the HA.  people love it when it supports our side and we hate it when it goes the other way.  again, nothing novel.  that's what makes this board both interesting and boring at times.  it gets boring when it gets predictable. 

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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"to add to the HA idea.  this board is a fair-weather fan when it comes to the HA.  people love it when it supports our side and we hate it when it goes the other way.  again, nothing novel.  that's what makes this board both interesting and boring at times.  it gets boring when it gets predictable.  "
Regardless, you're still here, SCM.  You're still here.

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foot soldier

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"to add to the HA idea.  this board is a fair-weather fan when it comes to the HA.  people love it when it supports our side and we hate it when it goes the other way.  again, nothing novel.  that's what makes this board both interesting and boring at times.  it gets boring when it gets predictable.  "


I'm not sure this is always true. I think some of the problem with the Hattiesburg American in the past is that the level of reporting was rather superficial, not that it was necessarily pro-Shelby. Also they never bothered to check to see if Shelby and co. were making false statements. In many ways, the Printz did a better job reporting the crises last year, and they're students!

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stinky cheese man

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truth--you're right, i'm still here.  every time i see something come out in the HA or another area i say to my wife "i predict the board will react this way _______".  then i have to see if my prediction holds true.  i think it's an addiction. 

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Shaft

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Originally posted by: educator
"I don't recall anyone from this Board, talking for this Board, to the HA saying that we were going to boycott the PP in protest. We said it among ourselves on this Board but I can't recall anyone, taking it upon him or herself to speak to the HA on the behalf of this Board.  I don't see any clear parallels at all."
Right on, sister!!  Downshaft.


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goat cheese

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stinky cheese man, you need to understand that this message board is a discussion group among people who have some things in common. It is not a newspaper, a radio station, or a television station. The message board posters talk to each other, not to the public. The board is very similar to a group of people sitting down in a coffee shop and sharing ideas. Your postings on this thread seem rather confused.

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Flash Gordon

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"truth--you're right, i'm still here.  every time i see something come out in the HA or another area i say to my wife "i predict the board will react this way _______".  then i have to see if my prediction holds true.  i think it's an addiction.  "


Yes, you can predict the reactions of the board because people with experience in higher education share many values and ideas about how universities operate no matter where they came from. That's the rationale for shared governance. To the extent that USM strays from those ideas, there is resistance.

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Music patron

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Originally posted by: foot soldier
" I'm not sure this is always true. I think some of the problem with the Hattiesburg American in the past is that the level of reporting was rather superficial, not that it was necessarily pro-Shelby. Also they never bothered to check to see if Shelby and co. were making false statements. In many ways, the Printz did a better job reporting the crises last year, and they're students!"


 


Foot soldier, you are right on this one.  The reporting was superficial.  And when something was written and got in print, the reporter would recycle it over and over--even when its inaccuracy was pointed out.





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Robert Campbell

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From seeing how some other newspapers cover university affairs, I've concluded that the kind of superficial reporting we encounter in the Hat Am is the norm. (Believe it or not, other newspapers are often worse.) Particularly during the crisis months of March, April, and May the superficial reporting did not always make Shelby and his minions look good.

Meanwhile, the positions taken in Hat Am editorials tended in the anti-Shelby direction for several months.

But the way the article about Angie Dvorak's accession to the presidency of the ADP buys into her self-congratulatory narrative does make me wonder whether the Hat Am will be adopting a more consistent pro-Shelby slant. More data needed on that one.

Robert Campbell



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Chicken Soup Lady

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Follow the money. What (or rather, who) pays the bills at the Hat Am? I wouldn't be surprised if people weren't told to tone down the anti-Thames rhetoric.

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Invictus

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Originally posted by: goat cheese
"Your postings on this thread seem rather confused."


Actually, Mr. Stinky Cheese Man's posts usually make a lot of sense.

And he is correct in more ways than he realizes. The current proposed alleged rumored student boycott actually grew out of discussions on "the other" USM bulletin board. And that is why I don't think it is actually a student-originated boycott.

Boycotts only succeed when a lot of people get on board & they stay with it over an extended period of time. The "boycott" of Purple Parrot never got enough people on board (since a lot of us don't frequent overpriced eateries anyway). The student boycott will likely not have the staying power, assuming that it involves more than a trivial number of students. This is because it will encompass a boycott of more affordable places to eat than Purple Parrot. Ultimately, the Big Mac Attack will prevail.

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