Sweet Pepper's Deli - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Nov 7, 2004

Sweet Pepper's Deli

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: tostito
"I had heard rumblings that SFT was going to organize, through students and others, a boycott of Sweet Pepper's Deli. Well, it looks almost official now (see HA sports page, 11/7/04).

I can't find reference to that article on the HA Internet edition, tostito. Many of live out of state and do not have access to the HA print edition. Please don't leave us in the lurch. Tell us more about what today's HA sports page says about the matter.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

here's a couple of excerpts:

"Gold-colored fliers passed out to some fans at the Southern Mississippi-Cincinnati football game Saturday showed displeasure with Sweet Peppers Deli."

"The flier--'written by a concerned student'--wanted 'Sweet revenge on Sweet Peppers,' and said 'Let's support those businesses who do support Southern Miss.'"

The owner of Sweet Peppers is head of the hotel and restaurant group that campaigned against the bond issue.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

I'm amazed that a student would have any idea who owned a specific restaurant or who was the head of a business association. It looks like someone is playing hardball.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

What connection is there between Sweet Pepper's Deli and the Bulldog Deli in Starkville, and exactly why did the owner oppose the bond issue? Local coverage was less than informative on this point.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

all the student had to do was read the american. The guy identified himself as owner of the deli and identified himself as head of the restaurant group opposed to the bond issue.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"all the student had to do was read the american. The guy identified himself as owner of the deli and identified himself as head of the restaurant group opposed to the bond issue."

You could be right, Cheese Man, but it is the uncommon traditional age student who reads the Hattiesburg American. It is also uncommon for such a student to spend his/her own money to run off a bunch of flyers. A more likely explanation is some "friend" of the university is retaliating. Coupled with the Giannini quote, the Clyde Bryant resignation from the ADP, and the booing of the mayor, this could be the beginning of a bad patch for the university.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Incredulous
" this could be the beginning of a bad patch for the university."

I'm sure that you didn't mean it this way but where have you been for two and a half years?

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Polyonymous
"I'm sure that you didn't mean it this way but where have you been for two and a half years?"

Point well taken. I guess I was thinking in terms of relations with the community as compared to on campus affairs.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

I am a TRADITIONAL student. I am 23. I pay for my subscription to the Hattiesburg American with my own money and read it daily!! I am interested in the happenings of the community and world. I am tired of this discrimination of the young generation. We are informed and smart. You professors have no faith in your own teachings. Y'all teach us to think for ourselves and believe it or not, we can and we do. We are obviously more capable than you think.

Yes, there are many students who could care less about anything that affects them, but there are also plenty of "old" people who think the same way.

Believe me, there are many young TRADITIONAL students who do care!! Or maybe we just have NONTRADITIONAL brains.

RS

Incredulous,

During the Glamser-Stringer affair, there were plenty traditional students who did spend thier own $ on protest supplies, flyers, gas to the board meetings, etc. So please give us some credit.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Removed Student
"I am a TRADITIONAL student. I am 23. I pay for my subscription to the Hattiesburg American with my own money and read it daily!! I am interested in the happenings of the community and world. I am tired of this discrimination of the young generation. We are informed and smart. You professors have no faith in your own teachings. Y'all teach us to think for ourselves and believe it or not, we can and we do. We are obviously more capable than you think. Yes, there are many students who could care less about anything that affects them, but there are also plenty of "old" people who think the same way. Believe me, there are many young TRADITIONAL students who do care!! Or maybe we just have NONTRADITIONAL brains. RS Incredulous, During the Glamser-Stringer affair, there were plenty traditional students who did spend thier own $ on protest supplies, flyers, gas to the board meetings, etc. So please give us some credit."

You are, ultimately, what it's all about. We were proud of you then and we're proud of you now.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: dizzy
"What connection is there between Sweet Pepper's Deli and the Bulldog Deli in Starkville, and exactly why did the owner oppose the bond issue? Local coverage was less than informative on this point. "

I can't answer the second part of the question, but can answer some of the first part. The Bulldog Deli in the 'Patch is the "original" deli that spawned MacAllisters, Sweet Peppers, and another chain whose name I can't recall right now. The original owner of the Bulldog Delia has franchised the names -- MacAllisters & Sweet Peppers can be found in a number of towns in Mississippi and Alabama.

I found it funny that the Showyourgold.com site that Seeker mentions on the "Booing Dupree" thread points to some link between Sweet Peppers and Bulldog Deli Starkville -- as if MSU or its supporters were out to kill the bond issue.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: HEST
I found it funny that the Showyourgold.com site that Seeker mentions on the "Booing Dupree" thread points to some link between Sweet Peppers and Bulldog Deli Starkville -- as if MSU or its supporters were out to kill the bond issue. "

Yes, funny, and at the same time a bit frightening. Do USM supporters really believe this bond issue mess was some sort of plot by supporters MS State to destroy USM? As though the current administration at USM needs any help? Phrases like "With friends like that who needs enemies" amd "The inmates are running the assylum" come to mind.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: dizzy
" Do USM supporters really believe this bond issue mess was some sort of plot by supporters MS State to destroy USM?."

Well, dizzy, if they didn't think that, they might start thinking that the entire presidency of Shelby Freland Thames is some sort of plot by supporters of Miss State to destroy USM.

And that, in turn, might usher in a "bad patch" for Thames, Klumb, and the entire IHL Board.

Robert Campbell

Date: Nov 7, 2004

Robert

There is a faction out there that believes just what you posted. And, to be honest the concept has some merit. There is a segment of posters on EagleTalk that make that arguement, and have some evidence to back it up.

I am not going to go so far as to side with them 100%, but if one dosen't believe that there are some UM and MSU supporters that live in H'burg that voted against this bond issue because of a hatred for USM Athletics, you're being very near sighted.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

seeker (the new and improved spelling seeker)--let me agree with you. as i drive around my neighborhood there are more colonel reb and bulldog signs than golden eagle signs (an upscale neighborhood in the city limits with plenty of business people living in it). there are those alumni of other universities who don't like USM, see it as an "uppity" university, and would be glad to stifle it in any way possible. it's been that way for years. nothing I see now is new. It's the same-ole, same-ole.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"seeker (the new and improved spelling seeker)--let me agree with you"

I'd like to agree with Seeker & SCM on this, too. Hattiesburg has traditonally be an town dominated by UM & MSU folks. They were especially delighted that there was an "old Hattiesburg family" with a scion who had a track record of bad management practices & boorish, threatenting personal style, because putting him in the Dome would not only appease the old H'burg folks but also set USM on a steeper downward slope than it was already on.

As SCM put it, USM was "uppity" & needed to be put in its place.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
if one dosen't believe that there are some UM and MSU supporters that live in H'burg that voted against this bond issue because of a hatred for USM Athletics, you're being very near sighted. "

Seeker, diid you say Hatred for USM? H A T R E D ? I thought athletics was supposed to build character - not hatred. Athletics breeding hatred would be sufficient justification for banning it from a college campus. Surely nothing that breeds hatred could have any sort of redeeming virtue. Athletics does, however, sometimes breed pettiness. I can't recall the details, but I seem to recall that a few years ago the proprietors of a Hattiesburg business were traveling to Oxford for a ballgame. Being Ole Miss graduates, as I recall, they were in some sort of vehicle that carried some sort of Ole Miss indica. That evidently generated some silly 3rd-grade type of resentment and nonsense among some USM supporters. The Sweet Pepper Deli thing is similarly silly and petty. Surely USM athletic supporters have better things to do than engage in such trivial pursuits.

Playground Bully

Date: Nov 7, 2004

As long as I'm in rant mode, let me loose on this too. I do not understand the blind, life-long slavish devotion to the school from which one graduated, to the extent that one would deliberately injure the instution where one lives. I graduated from Memphis, but if I lived in Knoxville and made my living selling goods or services to UT faculty, I would have the best interests of UT at heart. We talked about this on the old FS board once, but it is a phenomenon that baffles people from other states. It's insane.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

playground bully--i'm not sure if this is the story you heard. but the last time we played Ole Miss in football, people on an Ole Miss bus "mooned" USM people. one was an gentleman who owns Southern Cleaners (yes, on south 27th). the university shifted their band dry-cleaning to another dry cleaners at the time.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

Yes Bully I said hatred. There is a great deal of hatred in college athletics at many, many institutions. I suggest that the next time you descend from your Ivory Tower, you take in a football game, and not at Southern Miss, where there is little bad behavior between fans of opposing teams. I suggest you go to an Auburn v Alabama game, or a Miami v Florida game, or perhaps a Texas vs. Texas A&M game. Another you could consider would be Clemson v USC, or perhaps UNC vs. NCST. Attend these games and you will see the hatred that college fans have for the opposing teams.

This is the kind of hatred that some fans of the three in-state colleges feel towards one another, but in reality it fails in comparison to some of the rivalries mentioned above.

I agree that you should head a committee, to undertake a study on whether we should form a committee amongst ourselves, to ask Dr Lucas to form a committee to study if we should consider asking Dr Thames to form a committee to study the affects of dropping athletics all together at Southern Miss.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"
As long as I'm in rant mode, let me loose on this too. I do not understand the blind, life-long slavish devotion to the school from which one graduated, to the extent that one would deliberately injure the instution where one lives. I graduated from Memphis, but if I lived in Knoxville and made my living selling goods or services to UT faculty, I would have the best interests of UT at heart. We talked about this on the old FS board once, but it is a phenomenon that baffles people from other states. It's insane."

I for the life of me cannot understand it either. If you have a business where so much of your business is derived from the University, how can you not be at least somewhat outwardly supportive of the University?

When this first issue came up on EagleTalk about Sweet Peppers a couple of weeks ago, several of the board members called Clark Callahan to voice concern over his decision to lead an effort to block the bond issue. A caller spoke with his wife, who basically told the caller "USM doesn’t have enough supporters in H'burg for us to even worry about." Now what sort of attitude is that, now it seems all USM fans are doing is giving Mrs. Callahan what she asked for, which is for USM supporters not to do business with them because they don't need the business. Several callers got the same response from Mrs. Callahan, one that I know personally, a drug rep that used to buy deli trays from Sweet Peppers for his clients at H'burg Clinic and Wesley. He would have no reason to lie about the conversation.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"
As long as I'm in rant mode, let me loose on this too. I do not understand the blind, life-long slavish devotion to the school from which one graduated, to the extent that one would deliberately injure the instution where one lives. I graduated from Memphis, but if I lived in Knoxville and made my living selling goods or services to UT faculty, I would have the best interests of UT at heart. We talked about this on the old FS board once, but it is a phenomenon that baffles people from other states. It's insane."

Ma'am, you are a civilized, well-mannered human being.
I hereby nominate you for head of the IHL--okay, it's unrealistic, but you are so much saner than anyone in leadership positions in Mississippi. Others should take your advice on apologizing to the Mayor and not letting atheletics run one's life to heart.

I hope Judge Cooley is sending you flowers every week.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"Yes Bully I said hatred. There is a great deal of hatred in college athletics at many, many institutions. I suggest that the next time you descend from your Ivory Tower, you take in a football game, and not at Southern Miss, where there is little bad behavior between fans of opposing teams. I suggest you go to an Auburn v Alabama game, or a Miami v Florida game, or perhaps a Texas vs. Texas A&M game. Another you could consider would be Clemson v USC, or perhaps UNC vs. NCST. Attend these games and you will see the hatred that college fans have for the opposing teams. This is the kind of hatred that some fans of the three in-state colleges feel towards one another, but in reality it fails in comparison to some of the rivalries mentioned above. I agree that you should head a committee, to undertake a study on whether we should form a committee amongst ourselves, to ask Dr Lucas to form a committee to study if we should consider asking Dr Thames to form a committee to study the affects of dropping athletics all together at Southern Miss. "

You forgot Ohio State and Michigan. GO BUCKS !

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
playground bully--i'm not sure if this is the story you heard. but the last time we played Ole Miss in football, people on an Ole Miss bus "mooned" USM people. one was an gentleman who owns Southern Cleaners (yes, on south 27th). the university shifted their band dry-cleaning to another dry cleaners at the time. "

Cheese man - Even if what you say is accurate, just how could the "moonies" recognize the mooner? By viewing a pair of cheeks pressed against a cold window? Wow! I'm not that familiar with any of the proprietors of busineses I patronize in Hattiesburg, or elsewhere for that matter. And even if there was some mooning going on, what the heck. After all, it was football season. You must have missed the era when "streakers" fled across college campuses. You should drive a major highway on days of SEC games. A sight to behold! I had no idea that USM withdrew its business following any such alleged playfulness. I've always patronized the fine establishment to which you referred, and will continue to do so. I have never eaten at Sweet Pepper's Deli, but the incident at the football game Saturday assures that I will do so in the very near future.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN fan
"

Ma'am, you are a civilized, well-mannered human being.
I hereby nominate you for head of the IHL--okay, it's unrealistic, but you are so much saner than anyone in leadership positions in Mississippi. Others should take your advice on apologizing to the Mayor and not letting atheletics run one's life to heart.

I hope Judge Cooley is sending you flowers every week."

You are so sweet. I will add this to the scrapbook I'm making to show my astonished family. Judge Cooley's flowers were a true once-in-a-lifetime event which it is still a pleasure to recall. And yes they were real flowers. I do miss the dear Judge.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

how did they recognize the mooner--he showed his face! people know who runs Southern Cleaners--it's the Emmons family and they're ole miss fans. if you've been here long enough, you'd know that.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Seeker
Yes Bully I said hatred. There is a great deal of hatred in college athletics at many, many institutions. I suggest that the next time you descend from your Ivory Tower, you take in a football game, and not at Southern Miss, where there is little bad behavior between fans of opposing teams. I suggest you go to an Auburn v Alabama game, or a Miami v Florida game, or perhaps a Texas vs. Texas A&M game. Another you could consider would be Clemson v USC, or perhaps UNC vs. NCST. Attend these games and you will see the hatred that college fans have for the opposing teams.

Seeker - I suppose what you call "hatred" I call "college spirit." For many years I have regularly attended the games of SEC and ACC teams, and also major bowl games, but I never saw "hatred." I heard boos, jeers, and other forms of fierce-sounding but friendly feuding - but never hatred. Moreover, until the instances described in this thread, I never saw immature, 3rd-grade retaliation against businesses simply because of their admirable expression of alumni school spirit. You claim to reside in Richmond. I am confident that folks up there wouldn't give a flip if you wore your Black and Gold on Broad Street, or pranced down to Richmond's Fan District, and expressed your USM school spirit in whatever manner you chose. As I recall, you said on another thread something to the effect that after the presidentiala election you commenced a verbal barrage on what you described as your "liberal" NDC associates. I feel confident that the conservative business owners in Richmond will not withdraw their business from your firm simly because of your expression of a political spirit.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

Bully

You are detrating from the point at hand but to answer some of you bare comprehendable dribble. I did engage in a bit of light-hearted bantering with my more liberal co-workers after the election, I am suprised anyone even remembers that, but at any rate. My company is a corporate sponsor of Richmond Basketball, and buys several thousand dollars worth of season basketball tickets each year, although as near as I can tell, nobody in upper management here actually attended Richmond.

To take that a bit further, if I decided to open a Deli here near the Fan District, I can assure you that it would have more Spider memoribilia, banners, logo's, signs and the like than you can imagin. I would do the same if I had a business in Oxford, Baton Rouge, Athens or anywhere else.

Be a fan of your school nobody is asking them not to be, but if you want to open a business in a college town at some point you have got to show some support for the home team.

Date: Nov 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"To take that a bit further, if I decided to open a Deli here near the Fan District, I can assure you that it would have more Spider memoribilia, banners, logo's, signs and the like than you can imagin. I would do the same if I had a business in Oxford, Baton Rouge, Athens or anywhere else."

Why would anyone want to decorate with Spider memorabilia in Baton Rouge?