Wanted: Legal Counsel to the President - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Sep 1, 2004

Wanted: Legal Counsel to the President

Date: Sep 1, 2004

Somone shore up my failing memory, but it seems they had been advertising for a second University Counsel before Mr. Hanbury came along. With his departure, is this the same position?

I was interested in some of the other positions listed. Noted particularly the HVAC foreman -- second listing. Somebody needs to get serious about that salary! I have a sort of relative in that business, and a level 9 is not going to buy the skill level they need. Those guys can do a lot better elsewhere, or on their own.

Date: Sep 1, 2004

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Originally posted by: Googler
"http://www.hr.usm.edu/Postings.html#20 Very interesting."

It would be even more interesting, Googler, to know if this position is being advertised elsewhere. I doubt that many lawyers routinely look at the bulletin board outside the personnel office or look at the USM website searching for a job. If this is the only way the position is being announced I am inclined to believe that the successful candidate may have already been chosen. (Of course it may be that it is being advertised in other appropriate ways but it would be interesting to know that for sure).

Date: Sep 1, 2004

about 5 years ago there was a second attorney in Gore's office--Joy Beadle (sp?). She and her husband relocated and the job was never filled until Hanbury came around.

Date: Sep 1, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"about 5 years ago there was a second attorney in Gore's office--Joy Beadle (sp?). She and her husband relocated and the job was never filled until Hanbury came around."

I remember Joy, but didn't both attorneys report to the AG? If so, that is what I find interesting about this position--that it is titled "Legal Counsel to the President." According to the new budget book, the "University Counsel" budget does not have a line for this advertised position. Gore's title is "University Legal Counsel, Special Assistant to the Attorney General (.67 FTE) and Assistant Professor, School of Accountancy and Information Systems (.33 FTE)."

Date: Sep 1, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Googler
"I. . . what I find interesting about this position--that it is titled "Legal Counsel to the President." According to the new budget book, the "University Counsel" budget does not have a line for this advertised position. "

Remember the line, if Thames weren't president USM wouldn't need a risk manager? (Sorry, I can't recall who said it--Polk? Moreland? Stringer?) I think it also applies here.

Date: Sep 1, 2004

i never had an idea either university attorney reported to the AG's office, so I can't respond. I know some university committee's needed advice of legal counsel and Joy typically provided the advice since Lee was conducting other university business.

Date: Sep 3, 2004

kick

Date: Sep 3, 2004

Here ya go Shelboo, the result of an exhaustive nation-wide search. And, as Senator Clinton once said, "you get two for the price of one," Note that one attorney even has a current Mississippi law license....

http://www.hdlaw.ms

Date: Sep 3, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Legal Headhunter
"Here ya go Shelboo, the result of an exhaustive nation-wide search. And, as Senator Clinton once said, "you get two for the price of one," Note that one attorney even has a current Mississippi law license.... http://www.hdlaw.ms"

Ah, yes, another two-fer....counsel that is both nebulous AND misguided! You gotta read these for the sheer entertainment of it all:

http://www.hdlaw.ms/Bio/JohnHanbury.asp

http://www.hdlaw.ms/Bio/MarkDvorak.asp

Also, note under the "practice area" of economic development, all they talk about is getting tax breaks for your company...is that what economic development means? Perhaps, we finally have a definition!

Date: Sep 4, 2004

I know that coincidences occur but some are more bothersome than others.

$113K savings by eliminating/combining/reorganizing two EEOC/AA positions which have acted to protect faculty and staff -- now instead a new lawyer to protect the President.

Date: Sep 4, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: All's (Un)Fair
"I know that coincidences occur but some are more bothersome than others. $113K savings by eliminating/combining/reorganizing two EEOC/AA positions which have acted to protect faculty and staff -- now instead a new lawyer to protect the President."

Protecting faculty and staff = It's all about "we."

Protecting the President = It's all about "me."

As Queen Victoria once said, we are not amused.

Date: Sep 4, 2004

A university's Office of Affirmative Action should not be housed within the personnel or human relations office because of potential conflict of interests. The goals, functions, and interests of those two offices are different.

Date: Sep 4, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Miss Organization
"A university's Office of Affirmative Action should not be housed within the personnel or human relations office because of potential conflict of interests. The goals, functions, and interests of those two offices are different."

Correction: "human relations" in the above post should read "human resources."

Date: Sep 4, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Googler
"http://www.hr.usm.edu/Postings.html#20 Very interesting."

I can understand a university legal counsel, but whey should the taxpayers have to pay for SFT's own special attorney whose job is to defend SFT's mistakes? He has failed to own up to any of his misdeeds, and his negligence shouldn't have to be defended out of our own pockets.

Date: Sep 4, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Emma
"I can understand a university legal counsel, but whey should the taxpayers have to pay for SFT's own special attorney whose job is to defend SFT's mistakes? He has failed to own up to any of his misdeeds, and his negligence shouldn't have to be defended out of our own pockets."

Someone is already using "deja vu" but, man, it deserves to be used here on this thread...

Who remembers all the discussions on FireShelby about the role of the university counsel versus the role of the risk manager? Not to mention outside counsel and AG office representatives...sounds like we're going to be having all of those discussions again!

What was that definition of insanity?