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98 Degrees

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The appeal process in the CBED is moving forward, and the "litigant" put out an e-mail with some quotes from the CBED appeals committee.  In all three areas, teaching-research-service, the committee's report lambasted Doty and the Chair of the Department for assigning the evaluation scores they assigned.  The committee called into question the seemingly arbitrary treatment of the litigant, and remarked that the core of the CBED's evaluation process is, at best, smelly.


This thing's going on and H-Do isn't handling it too well.



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Kid

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HD would prefer to punish dissent that deal with the real problems that confront CBED.  Sadly, many of us have concluded that he is not intellectually or professionally equipped to do anything else.



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Not world class

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Is HD really so small that he puts mail with a deadline in a professor's office mailbox knowing he isn't going to be around?  After HD fixed up his conference room maybe he didn't have money for stamps.  I have an idea.  Maybe we could send him a few stamps.


 



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Geraldo

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Originally posted by: Kid

"HD would prefer to punish dissent that deal with the real problems that confront CBED.  Sadly, many of us have concluded that he is not intellectually or professionally equipped to do anything else."


That is correct, but he is working on it.

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Johnny Mack

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Actually, the professor in question has offered several times to reimburse the college for postage expenses incurred from mailing his correspondence to his home address; according to one of my sources, H-Do has said that the professor can (to paraphrase) "pick up his mail at school like everybody else."

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Grumpy

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Aprevious poster asked if HD is small - apparently he is.  Small on the ourside, and extra small on the inside.

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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: Johnny Mack

"Actually, the professor in question has offered several times to reimburse the college for postage expenses incurred from mailing his correspondence to his home address; according to one of my sources, H-Do has said that the professor can (to paraphrase) "pick up his mail at school like everybody else.""

To be honest, I think that's a little crazy to expect your office mail to be mailed to your home address.  Doesn't sound right to me.

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Johnny Mack

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Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH

"To be honest, I think that's a little crazy to expect your office mail to be mailed to your home address.  Doesn't sound right to me."


The problem arises when the professor in question is not teaching during the summer and H-Do (thanks, 98, for the J-Lo reference) sends correspondence directly to the professor (not the usual, run-of-the-mill mail we all get every day) regarding the appeal.  Some of the mail is time sensitive, and H-Do's refusal to comply with the professor's request (I believe he has asked nicely at least 10 times) makes H-Do look like he is using stall tactics.  On at least one occasion, H-Do has refused to pick up certified mail sent to H-Do by the professor so that he could delay the start of the FOIA/MORA request.


If H-Do is serious about clearing the CBED air, he should stop using petty tactics.  Any reasonable request (such as this one with the reimbursement promise included) should be honored...it's just the way you treat people you work with.



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stinky cheese man

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as an aside, i received an e-mail from him detailing part of his grievances.  i'm not even in his college.  but then, i got at my home a mailing about the dog-shooting incident.  to be fair, he says if you don't want to know about his CBED issue, let him know and he'll remove you from the mailing list. 

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Mack the Knife

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Originally posted by: Johnny Mack

"Actually, the professor in question has offered several times to reimburse the college for postage expenses incurred from mailing his correspondence to his home address; according to one of my sources, H-Do has said that the professor can (to paraphrase) "pick up his mail at school like everybody else.""


Johnny Mack,


So you think you've got it bad. I wonder if anyone from my department recalls that one of our former deans (not in CBED) required that when a faculty member wrote letters of recommendation for  graduate students, the students were to provide the postage stamps. Talk about nickle and diming the students! Further, the only duplicating machine in the department, short of a primitive spirit duplicator which printed in that messy purple ink (and did not work), was in the dean's office where the department was required to purchase copy services at a rate of X cents per copy. Now that's what I used to call creative financing. We eventually spotted an old abandoned duplicator in Surplus, and we had them haul it over to the department. When the word got out that our department had acquired an old duplicator from that source, the department was quite the talk of the town. I sometimes wondered why our department remained in the business of higher education. At those times, I told myself: "Cheer up. Things could get worse." So I cheered up. And, sure enough, got worse. Much worse. Sounds to me like the CBED faculty has a good thing going. It could be worse. Believe me. Thanx, Johnny Mack, for bringing back nostalgic memories of the good old days.


Mack the Knife



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No Call List

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man

"as an aside, i received an e-mail from him detailing part of his grievances.  i'm not even in his college.  but then, i got at my home a mailing about the dog-shooting incident.  to be fair, he says if you don't want to know about his CBED issue, let him know and he'll remove you from the mailing list.  "


Yeah, I get that message from credit card companies, magazine publishers, and other mass mailing nuisances - not sure why I have to take action so as not to be bombarded with trash.



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All for one

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I don't complain when I get information about what's going on around campus.  As someone pointed out on another thread, what happens to one of us can happen to all of us. 


By the way, if a Tenure and Promotion Committee uses words like arbitrary and seriously flawed to describe on faculty's evaluation, and a Dean takes no action, we all should want to know what's going on.  It could be any of us. It could be all of us.


So, if you don't want to know what other faculty are dealing with across campus, just delete the emails.  Not everyone thinks it's trash.


 


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Originally posted by: No Call List
" Yeah, I get that message from credit card companies, magazine publishers, and other mass mailing nuisances - not sure why I have to take action so as not to be bombarded with trash."



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Mack the Knife

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Originally posted by: Mack the Knife

" Johnny Mack, So you think you've got it bad. I wonder if anyone from my department recalls that one of our former deans (not in CBED) required that when a faculty member wrote letters of recommendation for  graduate students, the students were to provide the postage stamps. Talk about nickle and diming the students! Further, the only duplicating machine in the department, short of a primitive spirit duplicator which printed in that messy purple ink (and did not work), was in the dean's office where the department was required to purchase copy services at a rate of X cents per copy. Now that's what I used to call creative financing. We eventually spotted an old abandoned duplicator in Surplus, and we had them haul it over to the department. When the word got out that our department had acquired an old duplicator from that source, the department was quite the talk of the town. I sometimes wondered why our department remained in the business of higher education. At those times, I told myself: "Cheer up. Things could get worse." So I cheered up. And, sure enough, got worse. Much worse. Sounds to me like the CBED faculty has a good thing going. It could be worse. Believe me. Thanx, Johnny Mack, for bringing back nostalgic memories of the good old days. Mack the Knife"


Hello,


By way of clarification, I was not referring to your personnel matters. I was referring only to the mention of postage stamps. Personnel matters are serious. Postage stamps are rather trivial.


Mack the Knife 



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truth4usm/AH

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This still seems weird to me...if the professor is so concerned with getting the sensitive mail, shouldn't he be willing to come into the office to get it?  And if it's a legal matter and really that sensitive, shouldn't all of the correspondence go through legal counsel?  Sounds like both sides are putting up obstacles to me.


(DISCLAIMER:  I don't know any of the people in this scenario, neither faculty nor administrators, personally or professionally, i.e. I have no axe to grind in this fight.)



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LVN

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Why doesn't he give the dept secretary some 9x12 stamped self-addressed envelopes and ask her to mail whatever's in his box a couple times a week? For those who have never worked in the so-called real world, in any organization the people you need to grovel to are the secretaries and the cleaning people. They have so much impact on your quality of life.

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LFO

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Understand this, if he gave the secretary those envelopes, said secretary would be instructed still to slot the correspondence in the mailbox instead of using the envelopes.  That's the modus here.



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LVN

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That's creepy. Does he have any friends, or is it against the law over them to pick up other people's mail for them? This truly is a strange situation.

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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: LFO

"Understand this, if he gave the secretary those envelopes, said secretary would be instructed still to slot the correspondence in the mailbox instead of using the envelopes.  That's the modus here."

This still makes no sense to me.  No one is actively blocking his access to his office mailbox, are they?  Then why doesn't he just walk in and get his mail?  Again, it seems like the professor is being as unreasonable as the administrator in this case.

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LFO

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Let me put it differently.  He informed them that he would not be coming onto campus this summer, and asked that they e-mail or mail any litigation-related correspondence to his home.  H-Do has been slotting this into his campus mailbox.  Had he said "I'll be living in my office on campus this Summer, so please slot any litigation-related matters into my office box," H-Do would be mailing the correspondence to his home. 

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truth4usm/AH

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Don't mean to beat this dead horse, but again, couldn't the professor just drop by the office and pick up his mail?  It seems like the professor is more interested in drawing lines in the sand than actually acheiving his goal...to get the letters.  I'm not saying that the dean is right in doing this, but if the objective is to get the letters, then this seems to be a simple solution.  Perhaps in the future, the professor should just use simple reverse psychology and tell them that he'll only accept mail in his office mailbox (then, they'll send it to his home address!).


Again, if this is litigation-related, couldn't the professor's legal counsel be consulted to see what would be the best way to get correspondence?  Also, I know that there are mediation services available through the EEOC office...sounds like this would be a perfect solution for this professor and his boss.



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All's (un)fair

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Don't forget that this is the professor who referred to his "boss" in the (in)famous "book" in the most derogatory of racial terms.  There are some old resentments being played out in new ways.  He enjoys playing e-mail and postal mail games.  Most believe that this is yet another one.  There is no "litigation" at this point  only university business.  Arguably, university business takes place on campus.  There's an old saying that if enough people tell you that you have a tail, you should turn around and look for it.

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all 4 one

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Originally posted by: All's (un)fair
"Don't forget that this is the professor who referred to his "boss" in the (in)famous "book" in the most derogatory of racial terms.  There are some old resentments being played out in new ways.  He enjoys playing e-mail and postal mail games.  Most believe that this is yet another one.  There is no "litigation" at this point  only university business.  Arguably, university business takes place on campus.  There's an old saying that if enough people tell you that you have a tail, you should turn around and look for it."


Looks like H-Do's "Canebrake Posse" is back out again, fighting on his behalf and doing what they have to do to get a big merit raise this week.  That is, when they're not washing the family cars.


Canebrake Posse --- small cadre of CBED "soldiers" who live in Canebrake and spend their days/nights monitoring this board on H-Do's behalf.



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Mailman

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Why is a dean involved in this anyway? If the dean sends mail to a faculty member's departmental mailbox, it is the department chair, not the dean, who would do the forwarded. That's the least a chair could do for a faculty member who so requests. The chair might delegate such a task to a secretary, but it should be forwarded.

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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: Mailman

"Why is a dean involved in this anyway? If the dean sends mail to a faculty member's departmental mailbox, it is the department chair, not the dean, who would do the forwarded. That's the least a chair could do for a faculty member who so requests. The chair might delegate such a task to a secretary, but it should be forwarded. "


I agree with you here, Mailman.  This just seems unnecessarily complicated.



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Poster without Principles

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Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH

" I agree with you here, Mailman.  This just seems unnecessarily complicated."

True, Truth. The surface mail communication in CBED seems to be as complicated as the email communication Prof Online would have us use.

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Lou Pearlman

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Originally posted by: all 4 one

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You got it, all 4 one.  Don't those guys have some grass to cut, some cars to wash, or maybe some laundry to do for H-Do?  I saw "Bow Wow Buckshot" yesterday.  He looked ready to valet park H-Do's Excursion.



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NONAcademicStaffer

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The staff in our building says that the professor has never asked the “secretary” for that department to send his mail to his home address.  I’m also told that other faculty (in the same department) not in the state during the summer months communicates directly with the “secretary” concerning their campus mail (to check importance and such).  The faculty in my department would never expect our “secretary” to treat us all differently and “special”, much less read all our minds.  Truly this guy is enjoying the drama he’s caused himself at others’ expense.  Good luck to CBED!



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harrison ford

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Then you should head over to cbed and witness for yourself how certain faculty get alot of these kinds of privileges others don't get.

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Mr. Delayguardia

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Actually, the appellant should go ahead now and file an FOIA on the merit raise list/process for CBED.  It's is likely to resemble a state secret when the uproar begins next week.

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NONAcademicStaffer

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I may have been born at night but not last night!!  Who in their right mind would "want" to go to CBED with all that back stabbing and b--- kissing going on.  I'm sure, as in most colleges/departments, there's plenty of favors being done.  However, I have it on good authority that the  "secretary" this board keeps referring to doesn't play on the "buddy boy" roller coaster.  I really feel sorry for the ladies of CBED being caught in the perverbial middle of all the quarrelling.  I hope HD gets the mess cleaned up before they all leave.

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