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LFO

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Is Online Prof a troll???
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Someone just said s/he was.  Post yes or a no.

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Phoenix

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Definitely a troll. A fractious, pompous troll.

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Otherside

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I deal with ideas and logic, not labels. If you can't defeat his ideas, calling her/him a troll does nothing for me. For me labeling is just an excuse to stop thinking. You may as well say they are "Liberal" or "atheist" and get the same result.

Sorry for the lecture, but this issue pressed my buttons.

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Mr. Wizard

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"I deal with ideas and logic, not labels. If you can't defeat his ideas, calling her/him a troll does nothing for me. For me labeling is just an excuse to stop thinking. You may as well say they are "Liberal" or "atheist" and get the same result.

Sorry for the lecture, but this issue pressed my buttons. "



I too deal with ideas and logic and on occasion find labels quite useful. By the way, I thought troll was more or less a synonym for provocateur, and consequently Online may indeed have earned this label.

In light of your post, Otherside, I can’t resist giving you my own personal definition of a liberal:

A liberal is an atheist who insists god is a woman.


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Otherside

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Originally posted by: Mr. Wizard
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In light of your post, Otherside, I can’t resist giving you my own personal definition of a liberal:

A liberal is an atheist who insists god is a woman.
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I love it Mr Wizard. Can I use it?



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Online Prof

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Originally posted by: LFO
"Someone just said s/he was.  Post yes or a no."
I post 'no.' It sounds to me as though you are scared. Perhaps it is because you are not an aaup member or a faculty member. Curiously, it was not I who first mentioned having a members only website or board. It is not standard for any professional organization to open its doors to everybody. Furthmore, my significant membership fee to aaup gives me the right to voice my opinion. Your right comes just from having internet access. I also find it odd you can accuse me of being a troll when I offered to set up a members only site with my own personal time. Now I will even pay for it myself if I have to. That is how serious I am. Trolls do not realize what kind of damage this website can do--and might be doing now--to the USM faculty.

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LFO

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Originally posted by: Otherside
"I deal with ideas and logic, not labels. If you can't defeat his ideas, calling her/him a troll does nothing for me. For me labeling is just an excuse to stop thinking. You may as well say they are "Liberal" or "atheist" and get the same result. Sorry for the lecture, but this issue pressed my buttons. "

Otherside, I just wrote a letter to Jane Buck with the national AAUP organization asking her to block your access to this board beginning on Monday (simply because you don't like labels).




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longinthetooth

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Originally posted by: Online Prof
"I post 'no.' It sounds to me as though you are scared. Perhaps it is because you are not an aaup member or a faculty member. Curiously, it was not I who first mentioned having a members only website or board. It is not standard for any professional organization to open its doors to everybody. Furthmore, my significant membership fee to aaup gives me the right to voice my opinion. Your right comes just from having internet access. I also find it odd you can accuse me of being a troll when I offered to set up a members only site with my own personal time. Now I will even pay for it myself if I have to. That is how serious I am. Trolls do not realize what kind of damage this website can do--and might be doing now--to the USM faculty. "
Online Prof, didn't you just point out on another thread that a board costs only $6 to run? 

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Mr. Wizard

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Dear Otherwise,

Please feel free to use my definition of a liberal. Actually, I’m flattered.

I tried for some time to come up with my own definition of a conservative, but the word has lost all meaning for me.

Sincerely,

Mr. Wizard


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trolls-r-us

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Originally posted by: LFO
"Someone just said s/he was.  Post yes or a no."

Not only do I vote NO, I also vote to make this a member’s only board. Leave Online Prof alone, and don’t try to set him up by lying about his IP like you did with one of my cofaculty. It sure would be ironic if non-faculty run off a faculty member on this board that is supposed to be for faculty....hence the "up" in aaup means university professor. The "USM" in front of that means USM faculty.



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trolls-r-us1

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" Otherside, I just wrote a letter to Jane Buck with the national AAUP organization asking her to block your access to this board beginning on Monday (simply because you don't like labels). "
LOL....that was a good one :)

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Provocateur II

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A troll in the traditional sense?  No.  A faculty member with the ability to effectuate change in the USM AAUP organization?  Perhaps.  A representative of the new order?  Most definately. 

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Otherside

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"A troll in the traditional sense?  No.  A faculty member with the ability to effectuate change in the USM AAUP organization?  Perhaps.  A representative of the new order?  Most definately.  "


What makes you think O.P. is a university faculty member?

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Provocateur II

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" What makes you think O.P. is a university faculty member? "

I believe On-line Prof stated it on another thread.  Afraid that I took it as face value.


FYI, trolls and provocateurs are NOT synonymous -- the original Provocateur on the FireShelby website was a valuable, if rare, poster.



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Mr. Wizard

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Originally posted by: Provocateur II
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I believe On-line Prof stated it on another thread.  Afraid that I took it as face value.
FYI, trolls and provocateurs are NOT synonymous -- the original Provocateur on the FireShelby website was a valuable, if rare, poster."


In my response above to Otherside, I did equate these two words. I’ve gone through life thinking “provocateur” and “provoker” were synonyms. Your correction prompted me to look up “provocateur” and its meaning surprised me. I certainly hope that the original Provocateur wasn’t a provocateur. I also looked up “troll” and I’m fairly certain that Online Professor isn’t one according to Webster. Thanks for straightening me out.

However, Online might still be a provocateur of sorts. He may be claiming to be a member of a group to which he doesn’t truly belong, and while he is not inciting us to commit crimes, he sometimes seems to be goading posters into compromising their anonymity. And if this forum were to be restricted to dues-paying AAUP members, might it become easier to identify contributors?


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Invictus

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Originally posted by: Otherside
"I deal with ideas and logic, not labels. If you can't defeat his ideas, calling her/him a troll does nothing for me. For me labeling is just an excuse to stop thinking. You may as well say they are "Liberal" or "atheist" and get the same result. Sorry for the lecture, but this issue pressed my buttons."


I agree with your sentiment, Otherside, except that I view trolling as a deviant behavior pattern more akin to jay-walking or shoplifting. "Troll" is not associated with a belief system, genetic trait, or political persuasion.

If you should accidentally run over a jay-walker with your automobile, you would probably feel awful but it's doubtful that you'd be conficted of a crime. OTOH, if you ran down someone because they were a liberal atheist who believed God is a woman, you'd be guilty of a hate crime.

All that said, I don't think OP is a troll. Maybe some of the thing s/he says are unpopular, but what's the deal with that. I don't see any ad hominem attacks or bad language coming from OP

("OP" reminds me of that kid who chased Andy Griffith around until he changed his name to Cunningham & got bald-headed, but I digress... )

On the AAUP members only topic, I'm not USM faculty nor do I aspire to be. I'm an alumnus. I've been associated with USM literally my entire life, hold 3 degrees from USM, etc. But I'll gladly cease & desist if that's the preferences of the membership.

However, nothing would preclude me trollishly creating a new alias & coming back pretending to be a USM professor. Which brings me to my point: The only way to have a members only board is to require log in & registration, which would mean at least one person (the board owner) would know who everyone was. In other words, the anonymity of the board would be eliminated. Whether that's important to people or not is the question, I suppose.


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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: Online Prof
"I post 'no.' It sounds to me as though you are scared. Perhaps it is because you are not an aaup member or a faculty member. Curiously, it was not I who first mentioned having a members only website or board. It is not standard for any professional organization to open its doors to everybody. Furthmore, my significant membership fee to aaup gives me the right to voice my opinion. Your right comes just from having internet access. I also find it odd you can accuse me of being a troll when I offered to set up a members only site with my own personal time. Now I will even pay for it myself if I have to. That is how serious I am. Trolls do not realize what kind of damage this website can do--and might be doing now--to the USM faculty. "
Wow, you sure are generous with your time!  Not only have you offered to teach 099 classes for FREE, now you offer to be the moderator of this site, too.  Are you sure you're a faculty member? 

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J.M. Brown

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Online Prof,


Are your initials DB or KM?  Your insistence on open admissions, your allegience to the platform currently being pushed by the SFT regime, and your obvious contempt for others' opinions smack of the Economic Development mentality.  Don't you have some online Ph.D. courses that you should be worried about?



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Malapropism

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I have only one little bit of power to play but I'm going to use it here...On-Line Prof is NOT getting the Nom d'aplomb award!!!

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truth4usm/AH

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(cross-posted)


If Online Prof is for real, he is going about making friends here in all of the wrong ways.  The most suspicious thing about "him" is that he has just started posting, and already wants to take over this board.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless Amy Young and the AAUP executive board decide that this message board should be restricted, it will remain free and open.  Online Prof is here to stir up trouble, and I, for one, will be ignoring any subsequent posts from him.  I urge others to do the same.


Respectfully submitted,


Truth (aka Andrea Hewitt, longtime Fire Shelby community member, former USM staffer, and current USM PhD candidate who can be reached at a non-USM email account  truth@FireThames.com and who accepts email from all domains!) 



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stephen judd

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RE: RE: Is Online Prof a troll???
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Originally posted by: trolls-r-us
" Not only do I vote NO, I also vote to make this a member’s only board. Leave Online Prof alone, and don’t try to set him up by lying about his IP like you did with one of my cofaculty. It sure would be ironic if non-faculty run off a faculty member on this board that is supposed to be for faculty....hence the "up" in aaup means university professor. The "USM" in front of that means USM faculty."

I believe that AAUP general meetings are open to anyone whether or not they are members of the faculty or the public. Voting privileges, of course, are only for members.


I consider the Board to be a version of the general meeting. Now, having said that, there are times when oit might be necessary to have "closed" meetings of the membership -- particularly when that allows members who might be afraid to speak in an open forum for fear of retaliation or when issues that are of a particularly sensitive nature pertaining to the membership might bnned to be discussed. Perhaps a similar protocol might be needed for the membership here. But generally speaking, I'm opposed to creating an exclusionary Board unless there is also a Board similar to this one. We need to hear opinions expressed from otuside the membership and we need to have discussion  outside our limited group. To the extent that some devious folks might take advantage of that by sowing discord, masquerading as persons they might not be, etc.  . . . I think that is one of the prices of an open forum. It simply requires all of us to be alert. That also means that sometimes the Board as w whole will be overaccpting until it is clear that it is dealing with an unreliable "identity'> It also, unfortunately, means we also have to deal with a certain amount of paranoia and even perhaps false accusations from members of the Board because we know that it is possible there are those using the Board's openness. I think we choose the demons to wrestle with and I'd rather wrestle with a virtual socieity that is too open rather than one that is too closed. I think those who are misusing the freedom of the Board ultimately unmask themselves. I'd rather deal with that than cutting people who might have something valuable to say out of the loop.


Just one person's opinion.  



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Melissa Whiting

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I am now employed somewhere else and can no longer be considered as a USM AAUP member. I read the posts on this board constantly since I have many colleagues, former students, and former community members (including those who are my daughters Megan's and Molly's ages) contributing to this board.   Obviously, I can't post very often, but I can assure all of you that you make me proud that I was a part of this university.


NO QUARTER



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J.M. Brown

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In the fireshelby sense of the word, I have no doubt that OP is a troll.  Just watch his pattern: Attack and cause infighting, then retreat.  Just another pitiful ploy to draw attention from the true ills of USM under SFT: nepotism, deceit, and self-promotion.

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foot soldier

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Where else but a board like this can you find out the truth about what is going on at USM?  The newspapers barely scratch the surface or they print the Mader lies--online prof. wants to close the board because he/she doesn't want anyone outside USM to know the truth.



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truth4usm/AH

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Just had to kick this to the top...the silence of the trolls is deafening! 

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