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Date: Jul 29, 2004

What does this letter mean?

Date: Jul 29, 2004

It means that Kenneth, and possibly other members of the USM Alumni Assc., believed (at the time that letter was written) that all of the campus outcry about the treatment of Glamser & Stringer was just so much "whining" by faculty members, and asserted that faculty members were inciting students to join in the fray, distracting them from learning.

If Kenneth had written this just last week, I would not be surprised to see the term "girlie men" used to describe those faculty who dared to speak out.

Date: Jul 29, 2004

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Originally posted by: USM Alum
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If Kenneth had written this just last week, I would not be surprised to see the term "girlie men" used to describe those faculty who dared to speak out."

I, for one, would be proud to be called "girlie man!"

Date: Jul 30, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: USM Alum
"It means that Kenneth, and possibly other members of the USM Alumni Assc., believed (at the time that letter was written) that all of the campus outcry about the treatment of Glamser & Stringer was just so much "whining" by faculty members, and asserted that faculty members were inciting students to join in the fray, distracting them from learning.
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The oft repeated charge that faculty members incited students was well off the mark and an underestimation of student initiative and ability. Student efforts during the crisis were totally independent of faculty input and very impressive for a campus seen as apathetic in the past. Faculty members could not help but be impressed by the talent and energy of the students.

Date: Jul 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Arnold Schwarzgnome
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I, for one, would be proud to be called "girlie man!""

Is that the same as being called a "ladies man"?

If so...

girlie man == red-blooded American male

Date: Jul 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Invictus
" Is that the same as being called a "ladies man"? If so... girlie man == red-blooded American male "

No, Invictus, it's a derogatory term used by the Governator to describe the CA legislators who wouldn't pass his budget. You got the reference right (SNL)--just a different skit!

Date: Jul 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Invictus
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girlie man == red-blooded American male

"

Invictus,

With that == construct, one might just think you were a 'C' programmer...

Date: Jul 30, 2004

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Originally posted by: Miles Long
"
With that == construct, one might just think you were a 'C' programmer...
"

Invictus is Just Another Perl Hacker.

for($i=0;$i<10000;$i++){
print "NO QUARTER";
}

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: Kit Carson
" The oft repeated charge that faculty members incited students was well off the mark and an underestimation of student initiative and ability. Student efforts during the crisis were totally independent of faculty input and very impressive for a campus seen as apathetic in the past. Faculty members could not help but be impressed by the talent and energy of the students."

Now, now, now. I know at least one instructor who offered her students extra credit to attend that impeachment rally of Thames that was held in front of the admin building. I also got an anonymous email sent through the faculty email system encouraging me to come to a “freedom of speech rally” on that day, which of course it was anything but. I also saw two instructors directing students over to a TV camera crew. I for one did not appreciate tactics like that nor did I like having my picture taken by news media before I really figured out what was going on there. I would think more than one person on this campus was duped into going there that particular Friday evening.

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: Online Prof
"I for one did not appreciate tactics like that nor did I like having my picture taken by news media before I really figured out what was going on there"

So, Online Prof, you didn't like the prospects of having your picture taken at that rally. Well, that's the nature of the news media. One of the wonderful things about America is that public events are out in the open and can be publicly scrutinized. That would not always be possible in some other countries, nor would the marvelous freedom of expression found on this message board be allowed. With regard to tha rally of which you speak, you could have thrown a coat over your face like some folks do when they are exiting a court proceeding in the midst of cameras. Alternatively, you could have adopted the position "I don't like the sizzle of grease, so I'll stay out of the kitchen."

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: Ranger Bob
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Has Online Prof personally attacked you in some way. Why are you hounding him? He has brought forth several good suggestions that would make this aaup chapter more credible and professional. He has reported things that have given the faculty a bad image so that they can offset them or correct them. Can you try to be a little bit more open-minded and a little less caustic? Can you try to be more constructive please?

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: ru confused
"Online Prof . . . has brought forth several good suggestions that would make this aaup chapter more credible and professional."

Here is a cut-and-paste version of Online Profs comments to which I was responding in the above post. Which of his suggestions, reproduced below, do you believe are good ones?

"Now, now, now. I know at least one instructor who offered her students extra credit to attend that impeachment rally of Thames that was held in front of the admin building. I also got an anonymous email sent through the faculty email system encouraging me to come to a “freedom of speech rally” on that day, which of course it was anything but. I also saw two instructors directing students over to a TV camera crew. I for one did not appreciate tactics like that nor did I like having my picture taken by news media before I really figured out what was going on there. I would think more than one person on this campus was duped into going there that particular Friday evening."

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: Ranger Bob
" Here is a cut-and-paste version of Online Profs comments to which I was responding in the above post. Which of his suggestions, reproduced below, do you believe are good ones?.""

I was referring to his total posts, several of which I have read and given careful consideration to. You, however, are speaking out of anger, and nothing good seldom comes from anger. You really don't care about his suggestions, do you? You are trying to get me into a ****ing contest, but I am not going to compete any longer. Bye now. Have a blessed day!

Date: Jul 31, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Online Prof
"
Now, now, now. I know at least one instructor who offered her students extra credit to attend that impeachment rally of Thames that was held in front of the admin building. I also got an anonymous email sent through the faculty email system encouraging me to come to a “freedom of speech rally” on that day, which of course it was anything but. I also saw two instructors directing students over to a TV camera crew. I for one did not appreciate tactics like that nor did I like having my picture taken by news media before I really figured out what was going on there. I would think more than one person on this campus was duped into going there that particular Friday evening."

I don't doubt that some individual faculty members spoke with some individual students, but the actual activities like scheduling, signs, buttons, and pieces in the Student Printz were student initiated and undertaken with little guidance from faculty members.

On the other hand, many of the anti faculty letters to the press seemed a bit orchestrated to me.

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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Originally posted by: Kit Carson
" On the other hand, many of the anti faculty letters to the press seemed a bit orchestrated to me.. "

I am sorry to be crude and blunt, but this is heavily presumptuous thinking and I have to address it. The faculty is so innocent that it cannot possibly imagine why somebody would say anything negative about it without being "orchestrated"?

After studying some of the signatures of the antifaculty letters, especially from those who have graduated decades ago, I doubt there was any “orchestration.” The public is smarter than what some of you give them credit for. They are on the outside looking in, but they still see alot more clearly than you think.

I also find it odd that you think the students were not orchestrated when they are so easily found in one place….on campus and in class!!!!!! Those letter writers, however, were from all over the state. Which do you think is easier to orchestrate? Malleable students or strong-minded adults dispersed statewide?

Also, students mostly want their grade and mostly do not want to upset the professor. What do graduated adults want? That is, we know what students might get for their actions, but what will the former students get in return to be “orchestrated”?

Your orchestration supposition does not hold much water.

Date: Jul 31, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Kit Carson
" On the other hand, many of the anti faculty letters to the press seemed a bit orchestrated to me.. "

I am sorry to be crude and blunt, but this is heavily presumptuous thinking and I have to address it. The faculty is so innocent that it cannot possibly imagine why somebody would say anything negative about it without being "orchestrated"?

After studying some of the signatures of the antifaculty letters, especially from those who have graduated decades ago, I doubt there was any “orchestration.” The public is smarter than what some of you give them credit for. They are on the outside looking in, but they still see alot more clearly than you think.

I also find it odd that you think the students were not orchestrated when they are so easily found in one place….on campus and in class!!!!!! Those letter writers, however, were from all over the state. Which do you think is easier to orchestrate? Malleable students or strong-minded adults dispersed statewide?

Also, students mostly want their grade and mostly do not want to upset the professor. What do graduated adults want? That is, we know what students might get for their actions, but what will the former students get in return to be “orchestrated”?

Your orchestration supposition does not hold much water.

Date: Jul 31, 2004

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