Faculty and sabbaticals - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Jun 25, 2004

Faculty and sabbaticals

Date: Jun 25, 2004

Invictus notes that community colleges, which are the model that Roy Klumb admires the most & the only model with which Angeline Dvorak has any substantive experience, do not as a rule grant sabbatical leave.

The loss of sabbatical leave, as UTR points out, began under Fleming & is really a cost cutting move that, I suspect, is happening at more places than USM.

That aside, it is completely congruent with SFT's "upper division community college / industrial park" vision for USM to do away with sabbatical leave.

Date: Jun 25, 2004

We still have sabbatical leave at Clemson. The upper administration has been grumbling about it since the mid-90s, but has not tried to do away with it.

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 25, 2004

Surprisingly few people applied for sabbaticals this year, with the exception of one department in COAL where numerous people applied. There are sabbaticals granted every year. You have to apply for them with a reasonable justification. You also have to put in a certain amount of time to be eligible. Only one person from my college even applied this year. I don't blame the administration for this.

Date: Jun 25, 2004

i have talked to a few colleagues in other states and based on their experience, our semester sabbatical at full pay is pretty rare. it's not difficult at other institutions to get a full year at half pay. Robert, what's the policy at Clemson? i've heard that USM's sabbatical policy is also better than those at State and Ole Miss, but don't have any way to confirm.

Date: Jun 25, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"i have talked to a few colleagues in other states and based on their experience, our semester sabbatical at full pay is pretty rare. it's not difficult at other institutions to get a full year at half pay. Robert, what's the policy at Clemson? i've heard that USM's sabbatical policy is also better than those at State and Ole Miss, but don't have any way to confirm."

I know of a couple of people in my department who received "sabbaticals" in order for the admin. to rid themselves of them. They got the full salary and the chance to find another university to hire them. MW got one when she wasn't even tenured or promoted. What a deal!

Date: Jun 26, 2004

Clemson offers either a semester at full pay or a year at half-pay. Our upper administration has been grumbling very loudly about the semester at full pay, but it is still possible to arrange that.

As for CISEInsider's assertion that Melissa Whiting got a sabbatical after Shelby Thames "pocket vetoed" her promotion and tenure by "forgetting" to send the documents on to the IHL Board, I wonder where that information came from. My understanding was that Shelby Thames at one point falsely claimed that Whiting could go on sabbatical...a promise he never delivered on and probably never intended to deliver on.

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 26, 2004

Robert--of the two options which is easier to get? Here it is easy and typical to get a semester at full pay. Colleagues of mine at other universities have both options, but the semester at full pay is very difficult to get, if not close to impossible. The IHL has been complaining about sabbaticals in this state for a number of years.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

Robert, you are right on - with your observations. Thames played the Whiting game in the wrong manner, and she now has the upper hand. Melissa Whiting has all the cards together and she will play the next hand well.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: educator
"Robert, you are right on - with your observations. Thames played the Whiting game in the wrong manner, and she now has the upper hand. Melissa Whiting has all the cards together and she will play the next hand well."

You are sounding remarkably like Chess, my dear.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Goren Blackwood
"You are sounding remarkably like Chess, my dear."

We "could" be the same person. Imagine that.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

I don't believe that for a New Hampshire minute.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

We need to meet.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"Robert--of the two options which is easier to get? Here it is easy and typical to get a semester at full pay. Colleagues of mine at other universities have both options, but the semester at full pay is very difficult to get, if not close to impossible. The IHL has been complaining about sabbaticals in this state for a number of years. "

stinky cheese man,

Good question.

The year at half pay is easier to get at Clemson.

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 26, 2004

Robert--thanks. That's consistent with what I heard from colleagues across the country. USM's policy has been very good. I know people who in twenty years had 3-4 semester long sabbaticals.