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Date: May 3, 2006

TH on the move?

Date: May 3, 2006

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise?

Date: May 3, 2006

Murray State next year, back here the year after.

Date: May 3, 2006

Why would here be better than Murray? I loved western Kentucky, would be back there if I were able to move.

Date: May 3, 2006

Good for Tim.

Date: May 3, 2006

I don't intend this to be as judgmental as it sounds, but there's a certain cadre of college presidents who tend to move around every 2-3 years. Some of them are ambitious & continually living the dream of upward mobility. Some of them are fakes who know that they need to split before the trustees get wise to them. And some of them are, in the words of a well-known USM alum, staying "one step ahead of the jailer."

Being kind & generous this evening, I'll figure Timbo is ambitious & living the dream of upward mobility. And as LVN has noted, where would you rather live, in the industrial 'burbs of Houston or in Western Kentucky?

Why do I keep humming John Prine's "Paradise" when I see the words "Western Kentucky?"

Date: May 4, 2006

Invictus wrote,

And as LVN has noted, where would you rather live, in the industrial 'burbs of Houston or in Western Kentucky?

I would rather live in South Mississippi. Who wants to go back up North where it is still cool this late in the year, where the weather sucks for 5 months of the year becasue it is cold, wet. and gray? I want all of the USM administration to move to Western Kentucky.

Date: May 4, 2006

Invictus wrote:

And as LVN has noted, where would you rather live, in the industrial 'burbs of Houston or in Western Kentucky?

Victoria may be industrial, but I don't know that I would call it a 'burb of Houston -- it's a little too far for a comfortable commute.

Date: May 4, 2006

Cold, wet and gray? North? Cossack, what are you saying? Western Kentucky has a fairly mild climate, beautiful springs and beautiful autumns (which is what I miss the most.) They do have some ice and snow, which I don't miss, but not continuously.

Bowling Green is only about fifty miles north of Nashville. You must be thinking of Cleveland.

Date: May 4, 2006

I have to agree with LVN on the weather up here...it sure is nice for it to be May and not be sweltering already in the 80s with 100% humidity! I love my home state, but I really enjoy the milder TN weather. It's a gorgeous spring up here in middle TN...you should all come for a visit!

Truth

Date: May 4, 2006

LVN,

Any place North of Jackson is too cold in the Spring, Fall, and Winter. Old bones need warm (really warm) weather.

Date: May 4, 2006

truth4usm/AH wrote:

I have to agree with LVN on the weather up here...it sure is nice for it to be May and not be sweltering already in the 80s with 100% humidity! I love my home state, but I really enjoy the milder TN weather. It's a gorgeous spring up here in middle TN...you should all come for a visit! Truth

Well, I have chartered "the" famous bus, and we are all planning on coming up for the wedding. This is a much better use for the vehicle than its last one.

Date: May 4, 2006

The lesson here is that there is a world of opportunity open to you once you leave USM.

Date: May 4, 2006

qwerty wrote:

The lesson here is that there is a world of opportunity open to you once you leave USM.

True. At the same time, for many of us who were here a long time, USM was an institution that was "dearly bought, deeply treasured." Unfortunately, some of those who love it a lot paid very dearly for that commitment to it and to academic ideals.

Date: May 4, 2006

Cossack wrote:

LVN, Any place North of Jackson is too cold in the Spring, Fall, and Winter. Old bones need warm (really warm) weather.

I always thought Cossack was a real old person; this post proves it. Be nice posters, and remember "Age before beauty".

Date: May 4, 2006

On the bus wrote:

Well, I have chartered "the" famous bus, and we are all planning on coming up for the wedding. This is a much better use for the vehicle than its last one.

You are too kind! The wedding is not until *next* summer (2007), so you might have to use the bus for another trip in the meantime (maybe out to TX to visit Professor Stringer?).

Truth

Date: May 4, 2006

Cossack wrote:

Any place North of Jackson is too cold in the Spring, Fall, and Winter. Old bones need warm (really warm) weather.

I often think any place north of Saucier (the approximate USDA delineation between the Temperate & Semi-Tropical zones) is too cold in the spring, fall, and winter. Of course, those locations can be pretty, um, interesting between June and November

Date: May 4, 2006

Cossack wrote:

LVN,

Any place North of Jackson is too cold in the Spring, Fall, and Winter. Old bones need warm (really warm) weather.

One of the few things I've found that I could agree w/Cossack on in the past few weeks; so I thought I would chime in. I will be back with my many disagreements in the near future. Nothing like a pleasant climate for arguing, eh, Cossack?

Date: May 5, 2006

http://www.thevictoriaadvocate.com/local/local/story/3478242p-4018416c.html

Hudson finalist for president at university in Kentucky

May 4, 2006

TRACY SIMMONS - Victoria Advocate

Tim Hudson, president of the University of Houston-Victoria, will spend today in Kentucky interviewing for the president's position of Murray State University....

... McClain said MSU's board of regents meets on May 19 and said it would likely be around that time when trustees announce the finalist for the position....

Date: May 5, 2006

http://media.www.thenews.org/media/storage/paper651/news/2006/05/05/News/Regents.To.Select.President-1901508.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thenews.org&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

or

www.thenews.org

Date: May 5, 2006

Thames also told The News: "Dr. Hudson was the provost here. He left here as the provost and I personally would not hire him back."

While Hudson did not take sole responsibility for the accreditation problems, Joan Exline, assistant to Thames for accreditation, planning and articulation, said the provost's office oversaw the process.

"The associate provost was responsible for SACS accreditation issues and the whole process," Exline said. "(The associate provost) answered to the provost who at the time was Dr. Hudson."

Why hasn't the IHL figured out that a muzzle on the both of them would solve lots of problems?

Date: May 5, 2006

"I've been fantastic"???

Date: May 5, 2006

QUOTES FROM TWO POSTS

"Dr. Hudson was the provost here. He left here as the provost and I personally would not hire him back."

While Hudson did not take sole responsibility for the accreditation problems, Joan Exline, assistant to Thames for accreditation, planning and articulation, said the provost's office oversaw the process.

"I've been fantastic"???

Something is rotten (to the core) in Denmark.

Date: May 5, 2006

I found both Dr. Thames' and Dr. Exline's statements shocking and extremely unprofessional. A simple "no comment" would have been appropriate if they had nothing good to say. Not that "I'm fantastic" is the greatest quote in the world . . .

However, I vote that we go kidnap that first guy, the one who talked about the president's job as fund-raising and endowment-enhancing, and who talked about the library before he talked about sports.

Date: May 5, 2006

The incompetence at USM is well known in the small world of southern higher education and is a source of humor and derision. Remember, SACS isn't some far off government body--its comprised of faculty and administrators from southern institutions. There's no secret as to what's been going on here.

Thames and Exline's statements will be interpreted by the Murray State hiring committee as a form of praise. Nothing looks worse than the responsible person in charge blaming an underling for a failing. The folks at Murray aren't stupid. They know it is the college president's job to ensure accreditation is handled properly. Thames is saying "The Buck Stops at TH's Desk." Yeah, right. TH's got nothing to worry about here.

TH's accomplishments at UH-Victoria will be what makes or breaks him in the search. I wish him luck. He's a talented guy.

Date: May 5, 2006

qwerty wrote:

The incompetence at USM is well known in the small world of southern higher education

qwerty - It's not geographically limited to southern higher education. Word has reached my neck of the woods too.

Date: May 5, 2006

qwerty wrote:

The incompetence at USM is well known in the small world of southern higher education and is a source of humor and derision. Remember, SACS isn't some far off government body--its comprised of faculty and administrators from southern institutions. There's no secret as to what's been going on here.

Thames and Exline's statements will be interpreted by the Murray State hiring committee as a form of praise. Nothing looks worse than the responsible person in charge blaming an underling for a failing. The folks at Murray aren't stupid. They know it is the college president's job to ensure accreditation is handled properly. Thames is saying "The Buck Stops at TH's Desk." Yeah, right. TH's got nothing to worry about here.

TH's accomplishments at UH-Victoria will be what makes or breaks him in the search. I wish him luck. He's a talented guy.

I agree with you Qwerty. On the other hand, Hudson's stock would be a lot higher if he'd had the courage to stand up to Thames in public. I'll always wonder what Thames had on him (just like I wonder what he has on Lucas) that would keep his mouth shut. Professionalism? Again, Hudson is an opportunist. He has the good sense to know that he could have been an academic hero.

Date: May 5, 2006

qwerty wrote:

The incompetence at USM is well known in the small world of southern higher education and is a source of humor and derision.

It's sad but true to note that the administrative incompetence at USM is known around the entire US, thanks to two front-page stories in the "Chronicle of Higher Education." Even on Capitol Hill, I'm sure that USM is notorious, not only on Capitol Hill, but also at a small government building just South of The Mail (the one with "No Child Left Behind" on its front facade).

Date: May 5, 2006

SAXacrine wrote:

Thames also told The News: "Dr. Hudson was the provost here. He left here as the provost and I personally would not hire him back."While Hudson did not take sole responsibility for the accreditation problems, Joan Exline, assistant to Thames for accreditation, planning and articulation, said the provost's office oversaw the process."The associate provost was responsible for SACS accreditation issues and the whole process," Exline said. "(The associate provost) answered to the provost who at the time was Dr. Hudson."Why hasn't the IHL figured out that a muzzle on the both of them would solve lots of problems?

This is simply amazing, and shows you EXACTLY what kind of person ole Shelboo really is. Of course, to those of us on this board, we're not exactly surprised by this unprofessional behavior by the tiny one, now are we?

Plus, if this is the quote he gives to the news media, you can only imagine the colorful language he uses behind closed doors.

Truth

Date: May 5, 2006

"The associate provost was responsible for SACS accreditation issues and the whole process," Exline said. "(The associate provost) answered to the provost who at the time was Dr. Hudson."

Uh, Joanie, and the provost answers to the....think hard....you can do it....yes, the president! Who at the time was....ole Shelboo!

Utterly amazing...every time I think they can't come up with another Next Stupid Thing, they deliver one. Nicely done. Can't wait to see what they blame on Hudson next...

Truth