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Date: Mar 6, 2006

job market

Date: Mar 6, 2006

OO, this post I just put up is more appropriate for your thread here.

Name: texas poker

Date: 3 min, 55 sec. ago
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Quote | ReplyRE: CoBMoB criticism of Doty unwarranted

The carpal tunnel may continue. A fourth economist is "50-50" on a job offer --- straight from his mouth to you.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

Probaby right, TP...sorry I didn't notice your other post before I did this.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

People change jobs every day. If a person is unsatisified with his or her position they may seek employment elsewhere. It happens in business, industry, and government.

There have been many persons that have left us. There are others that are trying to leave. This institution is greater than any one person and will survive whatever happens.

It may not be easy at the present time to attract persons to faculty and staff positions at USM. Times will get better will never be perfect.

Let's quit whining about this situation. It's our reality. Let's face it.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

headhunter wrote:

. This institution is greater than any one person and will survive whatever happens.

Sorta like saying this place was a piece of $%&t when I got here and will be a piece of $%&t when I'm gone.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

headhunter wrote:

People change jobs every day. If a person is unsatisified with his or her position they may seek employment elsewhere. It happens in business, industry, and government.

There have been many persons that have left us. There are others that are trying to leave. This institution is greater than any one person and will survive whatever happens.

It may not be easy at the present time to attract persons to faculty and staff positions at USM. Times will get better will never be perfect.

Let's quit whining about this situation. It's our reality. Let's face it.

You're correct -- if Doty ever leaves, we will all keep going...after having a few cold ones to celebrate.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

sorta wrote:

headhunter wrote:
. This institution is greater than any one person and will survive whatever happens.
Sorta like saying this place was a piece of $%&t when I got here and will be a piece of $%&t when I'm gone.

depends on when you got here. If you were here during the time of AKL or HF, times were certainly better. If you were here in the time of McCain, you need to retire.

Some of us oldheads need to remind some of you upstarts that we are not Ivy League.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

headhunter wrote:

sorta wrote: headhunter wrote: . This institution is greater than any one person and will survive whatever happens. Sorta like saying this place was a piece of $%&t when I got here and will be a piece of $%&t when I'm gone. depends on when you got here. If you were here during the time of AKL or HF, times were certainly better. If you were here in the time of McCain, you need to retire. Some of us oldheads need to remind some of you upstarts that we are not Ivy League.

How am I an upstart?

Date: Mar 6, 2006

sorta wrote:

How am I an upstart?

Dost thou crow?

Date: Mar 6, 2006

Some of us oldheads need to remind some of you upstarts that we are not Ivy League.

We were never Ivy League and never would have been. However, once upon a time were were in the NC State and Colorado State League. Take a look at USNWR rankings and schools that were our "peers" a decade ago have blown our doors off. We're now moving back to where we were when I came. DII academically and marginal DI athletically. Unfortunately, that result appears to be hunky dory with everyone but the faculty. I'll stick to my guns and beg to disagree for one main reason: guess whose graduates will do better over their careers, USM or NC State? Total up the losses for our graduates in earnings, or job satisfaction for those adverse to crass money considerations, and what is happening at USM is going to be a really expensive experiment for our students.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

USM was NEVER in the NC State, Colorado State league...

Date: Mar 6, 2006

William Shakespeare wrote:

sorta wrote: How am I an upstart? Dost thou crow?

What?

Date: Mar 6, 2006

Pure Prarie League wrote:

USM was NEVER in the NC State, Colorado State league...

Try circa late 80s. NC State had a few good programs but overall was a mediocre place (sound familiar?) and CSU wasn't too impressive. Thought experiment: How many USM depts. would have hired a NCS or CSU Ph.D. assuming either school even had a Ph.D. program in that area at that point. In the 1980s my department competed against these places for candidates. We were a backup for candidates going to places like NC State but felt at no real disadvantage to CSU (other than the negative "Mississippi effect"). Now we lose to places like UNC-Charlotte. 5 more years of this and we'll be losing to UNC-Wilmington.

Our hair splitting may be a congenial way to pass an evening. For our students, unfortunately it is still more than an "academic" debate. For those that can't afford to go elsewhere, their income losses will be there on average no matter who won this round of "Trivial Pursuit".

Date: Mar 6, 2006

semiold wrote:

Pure Prarie League wrote: USM was NEVER in the NC State, Colorado State league...

semiold wrote: Try circa late 80s. NC State had a few good programs but overall was a mediocre place (sound familiar?) and CSU wasn't too impressive.

seminold, I don't want to split hairs with picky details, but USM was not even founded until around 1910.

Date: Mar 6, 2006

I'm sure Archives has already realized it's 1980's but just in case . . .

Date: Mar 6, 2006

LVN wrote:

I'm sure Archives has already realized it's 1980's but just in case . . .

Oh. I see. Nonetheless, I concur with Pure Prarie League's statement that "USM was NEVER in the NC State, Colorado State league..."

Date: Mar 7, 2006

sorta wrote:

How am I an upstart?

William Shakespeare wrote:

Dost thou crow?

tally it up wrote:

What?

'Tis a pun.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Archives wrote:

seminold, I don't want to split hairs with picky details, but USM was not even founded until around 1910.

Archives, although the administration gives that impression, it is not true that USM was founded in 1910. The fact is Mississippi Southern Normal College was founded in 1910 as a teacher college. It wasn't until about 1955, that the name was changed to USM. So it wasn't even called a university until 1955. It became "something like" a university sometime in the late 1960s, but some would even disagree with it being that early.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Hair Splitter wrote:

Archives wrote: seminold, I don't want to split hairs with picky details, but USM was not even founded until around 1910. Archives, although the administration gives that impression, it is not true that USM was founded in 1910. The fact is Mississippi Southern Normal College was founded in 1910 as a teacher college. It wasn't until about 1955, that the name was changed to USM. So it wasn't even called a university until 1955. It became "something like" a university sometime in the late 1960s, but some would even disagree with it being that early.

The current "name" of the institution has nothing to do with when it was founded. Many institutions change names. Rhodes College, for example, was once called Southwestern at Memphis. But it is the same institution by whatever name. There are dozens of such examples. Similarly, whether a school is called "college" or "university" has nothing to do with the founding date. Many very small schools currently refer to themselves as a "university" as a means of appealing to students and their parents who mistakenly think the term "university" is an index of quality.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Archives has it right. If USM becomes the "South Mississippi College iof Trades" it will not change the founding date.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Archives wrote:

Hair Splitter wrote: Archives wrote: seminold, I don't want to split hairs with picky details, but USM was not even founded until around 1910. Archives, although the administration gives that impression, it is not true that USM was founded in 1910. The fact is Mississippi Southern Normal College was founded in 1910 as a teacher college. It wasn't until about 1955, that the name was changed to USM. So it wasn't even called a university until 1955. It became "something like" a university sometime in the late 1960s, but some would even disagree with it being that early.

The current "name" of the institution has nothing to do with when it was founded. Many institutions change names. Rhodes College, for example, was once called Southwestern at Memphis. But it is the same institution by whatever name. There are dozens of such examples. Similarly, whether a school is called "college" or "university" has nothing to do with the founding date. Many very small schools currently refer to themselves as a "university" as a means of appealing to students and their parents who mistakenly think the term "university" is an index of quality.

Oh, you're right, Archives. I forgot words don't mean anything any more. I was brought up it a time when they did. It's hard getting use to this world of SPIN.

The way I look at it, the name defines the institution, not the buildings. The institution of a University was founded in 1955. The same buildings were used as a teachers college (institution) before that.

If the USM grounds and buildings had been used as a prison since 1910 and then a University in 1955, would you still say the "institution" was founded in 1910?

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Let's start a movement: "Words mean what they say."

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Hair Splitter wrote:

"Words mean what they say."

Not always, Hair Splitter. Labeling does not make it so. Thus, simply labeling an institution as "World Class" does not make it world class. Stating in a PR release that we're one of nation's leading programs in discipline "X" does not make it so. Words do not always mean what they say.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Archives wrote:

Hair Splitter wrote: "Words mean what they say."

Not always, Hair Splitter. Labeling does not make it so. Thus, simply labeling an institution as "World Class" does not make it world class. Stating in a PR release that we're one of nation's leading programs in discipline "X" does not make it so. Words do not always mean what they say.

I agree, Archives. Such statements are just ascertains. The question is, "Is USM a University?" If yes, when did it become one? When the earliest buildings it uses were built or do we used some other criteria.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Hair Splitter wrote:

The question is, "Is USM a University?" If yes, when did it become one? When the earliest buildings it uses were built or do we used some other criteria.

Certainly USM is a "university." A university is simply an institution that contains an array of "colleges" within it's administrative structure. The name "university" has nothing to do with "size." I don't have the foggiest idea when USM became a university. That's not important. The fact of the matter is that our institution was not founded in 1955 as you imply. Should we take those who graduated here prior to 1955 off of our "alumni" list? Nonsense.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Dearies, I nominate this is one of the silliest debates we've had in a while.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Little old lady wrote:

Dearies, I nominate this is one of the silliest debates we've had in a while.

This is not a debate. It is educatonal/informative in nature. A most appropriate topic. But it is rather silly that one would have to explain that USM was not founded in 1955.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

I apologize for "silly." Let me substitute the word "pointless."

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Little old lady wrote:

I apologize for "silly." Let me substitute the word "pointless."

Those who graduated prior to 1955 would probably disagree with you. Most of them would not want their alumni status to be revoked.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

I hear Mississippi Southern Normal College had a 2 year program, more like a Jr. college. B.S or B.A. degrees were not awarded until about 1922.

It is informative to learn that the institution wasn't a university since 1910. It now makes sense that the infrastructure is so weak and understand what McCain and Lucas had to build in just 45 years or so. If it had been established as a university in 1910, I would say the management must have been terrible to be where we are now after almost 100 years.

Date: Mar 7, 2006

Invictus, what's your take on this? You sound like you're one of the oldtime alumni. Does your resume say USM or does it say Mississippi Normal College?