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Date: Feb 13, 2006

Doty & Minions Attack CBA's Former Deans

Date: Feb 13, 2006

RE: Doty & Minions Attack CBA's Former Deans

Date: Feb 13, 2006

Those who led before me favored one department above all others. I have refused to become a part of that. The college is run fairly, and no one person or department gets special treatment anymore.

Date: Feb 13, 2006

What's telling about recent past CoB administrative regimes is that both Black and Gunther knew what their strong suits were. Black was a better internal dean, concentrating on raising the quality of the CoB, attaining and maintaining accreditation, and building a stronger faculty. Gunther was more of an external dean, focusing on fundraising and building the image of the CoB in the business community.

The sad fact is that Doty walked into a pretty good situation by relative standards. He inherited an accredited, stable business school and should have had enough ties with the community built up from Gunther's tenure. What's really telling is that Doty has to have Black's "Old Hands" run the reaccreditation process and a dedicated fundraiser run the development side. The associate dean handles the finances, department heads make schedules, Yeend builds up the career center in the CoB, and there is a whole office for undergraduate programs that takes away Doty's responsibilities for anything unpleasant curriculum-wise.

To quote Carrie Bradshaw: "I can't help but wonder..." what does Doty do all day?

Date: Feb 13, 2006

"He had the effrontery to suggest that not all peer-reviewed journals were of equal merit and that in order to raise the research reputation of the college faculty should attempt to publish in higher quality "A" journals, even if that meant sacrificing quantity in "C" journals or below."

To suggest that CoB faculty were not aware that differences in quality among peer-reviewed journals exist is to suggest that CoB faculty are morons. Of course CoB faculty knew/know that there were/are differences, and they probably know their own areas (stipulate: other than management) better than Doty does. The most maligned areas in the CoB have a long-standing tradition of shooting for the highest placement possible with the understanding that junior faculty need numbers along with quality for tenure and senior faculty can take more risks with respect to aiming high. This differential risk taking strategy is obviously something Doty doesn't understand. He apparently used this strategy in his own career and it ended with him (apparently) suing the University of Arkansas after being denied tenure at that institution.

Date: Feb 13, 2006

blockhead wrote:

Those who led before me favored one department above all others. I have refused to become a part of that. The college is run fairly, and no one person or department gets special treatment anymore.

Blockhead,

Did you make that quote up or can you verify that Doty make the comment?

Date: Feb 13, 2006

It's a mission statement, not a quote.

Date: Feb 13, 2006

curious wrote:

Blockhead,
Did you make that quote up or can you verify that Doty make the comment?

It can't be a real quote. Even Doty wouldn't have the unmitigated gall to make such a statement. Oh, wait, yes he would! Is it real, blockhead?

Date: Feb 13, 2006

Bill is now aware of this one. Don't worry old hand, I called and let him know.

Date: Feb 13, 2006

The associate has more information now, and compiling other still. Several people from the college made an individual trip to the dome today. Find out what happened.

Date: Feb 14, 2006

Anti-Minion wrote:

"He had the effrontery to suggest that not all peer-reviewed journals were of equal merit and that in order to raise the research reputation of the college faculty should attempt to publish in higher quality "A" journals, even if that meant sacrificing quantity in "C" journals or below."

The previous 2 deans, and the one acting dean, have both made exactly this same statement during annual evaluations over many years. Each dept. head was asked to ramp up the quality, even if at the expense of quantity. The college has a journal ranking system developed by the faculty. Why the furor over this statement?

Date: Feb 14, 2006

I don't have a problem with the statement. It just isn't true. One of the profs at COB who used to hit top academic journals on a pretty regular basis looked around and saw who was getting the pay raises while he was getting no pay raises and hammered on evaluations. The people who were churning out a stack of one page, multi-authored book reports for very low level journals were getting all the money and support. Needless to say, the prof doesn't write for academic publication anymore.

Date: Feb 14, 2006

Been there heard it wrote:

Anti-Minion wrote: "He had the effrontery to suggest that not all peer-reviewed journals were of equal merit and that in order to raise the research reputation of the college faculty should attempt to publish in higher quality "A" journals, even if that meant sacrificing quantity in "C" journals or below." The previous 2 deans, and the one acting dean, have both made exactly this same statement during annual evaluations over many years. Each dept. head was asked to ramp up the quality, even if at the expense of quantity. The college has a journal ranking system developed by the faculty. Why the furor over this statement?

Don't even bother trying to say anything reasonable, let alone positive, about the College of Business or its dean; it only causes you to get attacked by the hijackers of this website. AAUP should just change the name to the "Anti-Doty" board as that is what it has become.

Date: Feb 14, 2006

Give it up wrote:

Don't even bother trying to say anything reasonable, let alone positive, about the College of Business or its dean; it only causes you to get attacked by the hijackers of this website. AAUP should just change the name to the "Anti-Doty" board as that is what it has become.

Maybe the dean and his supporters should take a hard look at the College of Business and try to determine why there is this level of anger in the College. Do you think so many people take time out of their busy schedules just for the sheer delight of attacking Doty? I don't think so. Given the level of retribution those who publicly disagree with him have suffered, this is the only way they have of telling the Dean and their colleagues what they really think. Perhaps if Dr. Doty treated his faculty even-handedly and with respect, this would be come a Pro-Doty board.

Date: Feb 14, 2006

Bill Gunther's problem was that he did not retire in Alabama when he accepted the USM job. Fleming found out he was still teaching there, too, and Fleming called his hand. Gunther, from that moment, started working against Fleming. Gunther was no saint, and he was a mediocre dean.

Date: Feb 14, 2006

hamlet's ghost wrote:

Bill Gunther's problem was that he did not retire in Alabama when he accepted the USM job. Fleming found out he was still teaching there, too, and Fleming called his hand. Gunther, from that moment, started working against Fleming. Gunther was no saint, and he was a mediocre dean.

Can this be true? How much corruption do we have at this university and how high (or low) can be be traced?

Everytime I beleive that things cannot get worse, something like this appears. I fear for the future of the university.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

I think you may see a reaction from Bill today. He's got the support of the business group.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

See if he will deny holding the deanship at USM and still working at Auburn. If he does, I can produce the evidence to refute this. Yep, there's a hell of a lot folks don't know about the shenanigans at USM.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

You mean Bama?

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Seems not everyone has all the facts they think they possess....

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Before the Dean or whoever works for him continues to attack Bill, let's set some facts straight. When Bill became Dean at USM he made a few trips with an AACSB visitation team to U. South Alabama. The only payments were for expenses, and there was no teaching involved. This story has been twisted enough.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Seems it was about a year ago that SFT tried to hijack the COB, but Doty and others put up a stiff defense. Some people forget his efforts along these lines and want to focus on their PERSONAL PROBLEMS unwittingly (at least I think) working for SFT to dismantle the college. Sure he may do some things that people do not agree with, but the college, or any college at USM, is not going to prosper with SFT at the helm. Getting a good president should be the main focus now. Stick to the larger issues, refrain from targeting faculty personally. Trying to bring the formers deans and others into this is just obfuscation and detracts from what we should discussing. If COBer’s want, go make a new board for yourselves.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

" the college, or any college at USM, is not going to prosper with SFT at the helm"

This seems like a very savy post to me. CoB surely is dysfunctional. The posts over the last year clearly show that. But let's not take the focus off of the main problem: SFT. Without Thames, we would not have had Doty or Pood or any of the others. And no matter how bad they are, they would be better with good leadership. Let's so all we can to make sure we get it.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

record straight wrote:

Before the Dean or whoever works for him continues to attack Bill, let's set some facts straight. When Bill became Dean at USM he made a few trips with an AACSB visitation team to U. South Alabama. The only payments were for expenses, and there was no teaching involved. This story has been twisted enough.

Dean Gunther DID continue to do some teaching at Alabama after he came to USM. Whether he obtained the proper approvals, I do not know. He should have at least had a permission-to-engage-in-outside-activities form approved.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Bill did some center work for Nicholls State pro bono. Anything said more than that is off base.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

My comments are fact. Facts are right on. I have no knowledge of Nichols State; I am talking about the Auburn program he came from. He never informed anyone at USM that he was continuing his teaching for compensation there after USM hired him as dean. That's inappropriate on his part. And it is fact.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Your facts are so screwed up you'll never redeem yourself here. Go back and read your own post.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

R u workin for SFT? wrote:

Getting a good president should be the main focus now. Stick to the larger issues, refrain from targeting faculty personally. Trying to bring the formers deans and others into this is just obfuscation and detracts from what we should discussing. If COBer’s want, go make a new board for yourselves.

Amen, amen, amen.

Guys, this board is for all interests at USM, but some in COB have abused it. It's FIRE SHELBY, not FIRE DOTY. Doty, like the other deans, will be treading water once Shelby is gone. Keep the focus.

No quarter!

Date: Feb 15, 2006

Another liberal arts type wrote:

R u workin for SFT? wrote: Getting a good president should be the main focus now. Stick to the larger issues, refrain from targeting faculty personally. Trying to bring the formers deans and others into this is just obfuscation and detracts from what we should discussing. If COBer’s want, go make a new board for yourselves. Amen, amen, amen. Guys, this board is for all interests at USM, but some in COB have abused it. It's FIRE SHELBY, not FIRE DOTY. Doty, like the other deans, will be treading water once Shelby is gone. Keep the focus. No quarter!

Shelby's got an end date (May of 2007). Doty and the others do not.

Date: Feb 15, 2006

hamlet's ghost wrote:

My comments are fact. Facts are right on. I have no knowledge of Nichols State; I am talking about the Auburn program he came from. He never informed anyone at USM that he was continuing his teaching for compensation there after USM hired him as dean. That's inappropriate on his part. And it is fact.

So was he working illegally at Auburn or Alabama...Is the tail on this cat growing...