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money whore

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“Name: Thought I'd Heard Everything  writes, “I'll try to summarize this episode and add my final thoughts on the matter.  ....So here we are with a sorry and embarrassing mess on our hands.  A decent and loyal faculty member applied for a promotion and finds himself in the middle of a controversy that I am sure is very disturbing.  The actions of another faculty member, who I believe has acted according to his conscience, have been referred to the University Attorney.  A lot of faculty in the COB, along with the administration of the college, need to take a deep breath and start to discuss how to keep the college from becoming dysfunctional.  The existing animosity is pitting department against department, faculty against faculty, and faculty against administration in an extremely debilitating way.  And sadly, it is severely damaging the reputation of the college.” 


 


Your comments are well expressed but they sound more like Chamberlain at Munich then Gandhi.  The words of appeasement to the faculty in economics and finance have failed you and your colleagues in the department.  As you fiddle with appeasement the running dogs in that pit of vipers disparages your colleague, DD, as well as a host of others in our department.  Have you forgotten the attacks on the board against our junior faculty, WF and JC last week?  The veiled derogatory remarks about KZ and FD regarding their tenure and promotion, are you ignoring this?  Not to mention disparaging BB’s integrity as a journal editor and accusing TH of manipulating votes.  Indirectly they have disparaged the reputation of AW as well.  There are others that will not be mentioned here.  You may follow appeasement while you are being debased but to do so while junior faculty and other colleagues in your department are being abused is appeasement worthy of Munich.  This is not just an attack on the Dean but an orchestrated attack against the faculty in Management and Marketing.


 


You Ain't Heard Nothing Yet, writes, “... explain how several violations of University tenure and promotion guidelines have all occurred in the Management area -- Doty's home area -- and not in other areas of the college. Why is it that his home area is somehow exempt from the rules governing everyone else? Why is it that that area (Management) is so rife with money whores that will sell out ethics for the promise of a few thousand dollars?


Outside Observer writes< “Phrases from Thought I'd heard everything include "long-time faculty member" and "decent and loyal faculty member."  These traits make up the record that will meet the criteria for promotion in the marketing and management department.


 


One of the economist is probably right; it is time to choose sides.  We need to support Doty and encourage him to implement a pogrom against economics and finance, sending economics to COAL and purge the finance faculty.  Doty has his problems but he is looking a lot better as a coalition partner then economics and finance.  Either led, follow, stay in the middle and get run over or retire but do something besides fiddle.



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soothsayer

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Doty's plan is working. "money whore"'s post is what Doty wants.

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e-mind

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Money Whore, don't forget "Doty attack MIS faculty/program."  If you agree it is good thing then say "mgt and mkt attack mis."


Thank you.  Good-bye.



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money whore

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soothsayer wrote:

Doty's plan is working. "money whore"'s post is what Doty wants.
While this is what Doty wants, it took the econ and finance faculty to give it to him.  He will probably send you a thank you note on Monday.

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Outside Observer

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Outside Observer didn't write this:

Outside Observer writes< “Phrases from Thought I'd heard everything include "long-time faculty member" and "decent and loyal faculty member." These traits make up the record that will meet the criteria for promotion in the marketing and management department.

I think we've had a Cut and Paste Operator Error.

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helper

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OO, you need to get a letter of agreement from money whore that the mistake will not happen again.

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soothsayer

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This is a sad attempt to divide the CoB. Doty knows he can only retain control if the faculty fail to cooperate. "money whore" apparently is working in concert with Doty to achieve this end.

CoB faculty who have been at USM for any period of time know that Doty has been the most divisive force the college has ever seen. Don't allow a guy who's been here less than 3 years to destroy working relationships that have been in place for over a decade.



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Outside Observer

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helper wrote:
OO, you need to get a letter of agreement from money whore that the mistake will not happen again.


Wait...would that count as a peer reviewed electronic publication?

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ABI-Uninformed

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"Wait...would that count as a peer reviewed electronic publication?"

I'd love to have that kind of publication on my vita!

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silky smooth

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ABI-Uninformed wrote:

"Wait...would that count as a peer reviewed electronic publication?" I'd love to have that kind of publication on my vita!
I'm having a hard time getting WeB CT to display my vita and/or a paper that I am taking to a conference.  Any suggestions?

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Firefox Fan

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Try using Mozilla. It usually works better than IE.



silky smooth wrote:

I'm having a hard time getting WeB CT to display my vita and/or a paper that I am taking to a conference.  Any suggestions?


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Lovefest

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soothsayer wrote:

Don't allow a guy who's been here less than 3 years to destroy working relationships that have been in place for over a decade.

Right, it's been a virtual lovenest in Business for decades:  no lawsuits, no mailbombs, no love triangles, no one left out, no lawyers involved in P&T decisions, no graft, no slush funds, no cushy deals, no discrimination, no payback, no rumors, just one big happy biz family! 



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Institutional Memory

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While all of those things have happened, there definitely was not a dean who openly set departments against each other.

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jean

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Institutional Memory wrote:


While all of those things have happened, there definitely was not a dean who openly set departments against each other.
Doty does not have the power to set departments against each other as his position was pretty weak, it took a group of economist and finance faculty to achieve what Doty could only dream of achieving.  A noconfidence vote in Doty is less likely today because of a few.  Live with it, we will.

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badge

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jean wrote:

Institutional Memory wrote: While all of those things have happened, there definitely was not a dean who openly set departments against each other. Doty does not have the power to set departments against each other as his position was pretty weak, it took a group of economist and finance faculty to achieve what Doty could only dream of achieving.  A noconfidence vote in Doty is less likely today because of a few.  Live with it, we will.
jean, when the sheriff starts walking the halls, you may eat those words.  just wait and see. 

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Institutional Memory

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jean wrote:

Doty does not have the power to set departments against each other as his position was pretty weak, it took a group of economist and finance faculty to achieve what Doty could only dream of achieving.  A noconfidence vote in Doty is less likely today because of a few.  Live with it, we will.


I think everyone in Economics, Finance, Management, and Marketing (as well as Accounting and MIS) is intelligent enough to figure out who really benefits from faculty division, and he lives in JGH 211.

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Bobby

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Institutional Memory wrote:

jean wrote: Doty does not have the power to set departments against each other as his position was pretty weak, it took a group of economist and finance faculty to achieve what Doty could only dream of achieving.  A noconfidence vote in Doty is less likely today because of a few.  Live with it, we will. I think everyone in Economics, Finance, Management, and Marketing (as well as Accounting and MIS) is intelligent enough to figure out who really benefits from faculty division, and he lives in JGH 211.


 


Your analysis is correct the biggest beneficiary is Doty.  As it currently stands mgt & mkt is not fairing very well in coalition with econ & fin.  The abuse of departmental faculty on this board and recent events suggests Doty maybe the lesser of two evils.  We understand Doty is no great deal but he is looking better then the alternatives.  How do you think it will look from COAL?



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Oh Pretty Woamn

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money whore wrote:
soothsayer wrote:
Doty's plan is working. "money whore"'s post is what Doty wants.
While this is what Doty wants, it took the econ and finance faculty to give it to him.  He will probably send you a thank you note on Monday.


Despite the statements from the Coast MKT person, Doty needs to go. If the next person is bad, we can deal with him or her then. You should not hold onto poison simply because there may be a worse poison out there somewhere.

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corina

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but do something besides fiddle.


I beg your pardon, I like to fiddle. If Rome is burning and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it (can't get rid of the gang at IHL, Meredith, and by extension SFT and the crew) then fiddling is a reasonable response while waiting for the next act in this particular soap opera.  Besides, it seems to befuddle hubristic, money crazed administrators. 


Now the entertaining people in COB can continue their pleasantries.  Sorry for the interruption.



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Googler

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Bobby wrote:

We understand Doty is no great deal but he is looking better then the alternatives.  How do you think it will look from COAL?
 "I'll be your daddy."

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George Michael fan

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I will be your Father Figure.

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Cossack

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The tales of conflicts between departments in CBA are highly exaggerated. The situation that created the issue was not the doings of departments. It was the doing of administrators who wished to reward a person who everyone, or almost everyone, in the college likes. In spite of the turmoil, everyone stills likes him. Unfortunately, the person put too much faith in the abilities of administrators to help him achieve promotion. Depending on administrators to provide tenure and promotion rather than depending on the lines on your vita is a high-risk strategy. It fails much more than it succeeds. Indeed, a university promotion and tenure committee exists because of the potential of college administrators to abuse the powers of their positions. It is well know that administrators (supervisors) build power bases by catering to those who need their power and protection in return for support. Faculty with a competitive vita do not need to curry favor with administrators. If the situation that led to the uproar were an isolated situation, it would not have led to the outcome we now have. A series of decisions that do not follow the handbook guidelines have made CBA faculty wary of those who make these decisions. One such decision has blown up in the administration’s face since they have no influence over university committees. It is not surprising that those who have cast their lot with administrators who abuse the rules are disappointed and wish to blame an individual for the outcome. In this case, they have adopted the highly unusual tactic of trying to shoot the messenger. Unfortunately for them, that also backfired. Having failed again, they now are calling the messenger’s momma names. My advice for those who are engaging in the name-calling and blame is to get to work on research. It is in short supply from many who have attacked the messenger. Ironically, the messenger has published more articles than all of his attackers combined, and in higher-level journals. If this were a professional sports team, the messenger would trade for more money than the whole team that is attacking him.

If an additional clarification is needed, I will be up to the task.


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Perdition

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The Road to Tenure and Promotion(s) is paved with quality teaching, stable service to the University community, and research, which is measured by both quality and quantity. The balancing act that is requisite for advancement is also what makes a faculty member mobile. For those who have not balanced their vitas properly the temptation is to make deals to reach higher levels of pay and prestige. When faculty with a well-balanced record seeks promotion, higher pay is achieved but the prestige is already there, as colleagues recognize contributions well before the actual "title" is conveyed. When one deals for promotion, the pay comes but the prestige hasn't been conveyed nor will it be conveyed -- the dealer's prestige level actually falls. These are predictable outcomes. To wit, when faculty starts to deal the expectation should be a raise in pay and a decline in personal prestige. I guess that's okay from a personal decision-making standpoint as long as the dealer makes peace with that outcome.

However, in this instance, the administrator who made the deal damaged the college's reputation at a University-wide level as a byproduct of the interpersonal deal. The moment that happened, it became incumbent on the faculty of the College of Business Administration to censure that administrator for his actions that have negatively affected the college. One such faculty has put his personal convictions into action.

For those who live by the credo of Personal Responsibility, this whole situation is a morality tale to be heeded -- Speak against evil or become evil yourself.

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