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Date: Oct 21, 2005

CoB students angry?

Date: Oct 21, 2005

Two eight-week sessions instead of the usual sixteen-week session to facilitate repairing the air conditioning in JGH.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

CoAL Hall Monitor wrote:

I'm hearing much hallway talk over here between CoB students about a rule change or some kind of change for Spring that's happening over there. Want to provide any details? Anyone from CoB know?

Yes, students are angry, and rightly so. Their scheduling difficulties are beyond anything. They are actually just finding out about themselves, small groups at a time. Wait till they all know about it. The CoB will need to hire phone operators to handle the call load.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

heardit wrote:

Yes, students are angry, and rightly so. Their scheduling difficulties are beyond anything. They are actually just finding out about themselves, small groups at a time. Wait till they all know about it. The CoB will need to hire phone operators to handle the call load.

Maybe they can hire David Butler to design a wurl' class CoB call center.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

This was yet another great decision by that paragon of academic knowledge: Cynthia Moore. It will not be too soon to see the door hitting her backside when the henchcrew is forced to step down.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

Cool it guys. This is going to be painful for all, but has to be done. All those who have been frozen/roasted for the past decade realize the need. The ideal solution would be a new building, but that will never happen with the current regime in place.

As for student reaction, many are really happy. This schedule allows them to take pre-reqs and capstone courses in the same semester. Others are saying that if they get the prof they dislike, it only lasts 8 weeks. Not all classes will be on that schedule, including night and large sections. If conflicts arise that impact a student's graduation date, that will be handled individually.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

Wasn't the CoB on track for a new building when Gunther was dean?

Date: Oct 21, 2005

The idea that COB students are happy about this is laughable. All you have to do is bring up the topic in the presence of a group of them that knows about it and you'll get an earful.

Yes, the COB was on schedule to get a new building under Gunther. Bill could hit the market and land a Dean's job before Dot'y could, I tell you.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

damn right, they're pissed. this is just another blown call by the inept "leadership" in the CoB.

Date: Oct 21, 2005

if this schedule change is so great and students are so happy....why not make this a permenant feature at cob or heck why not the entire university??

Date: Oct 21, 2005

or why not just tough it out for one uncomfortable semester while the even more uncomfortable fluctuation problems get their long-awaited fix?

Date: Oct 21, 2005

astonished wrote:

Cool it guys. This is going to be painful for all, but has to be done. All those who have been frozen/roasted for the past decade realize the need. The ideal solution would be a new building, but that will never happen with the current regime in place. As for student reaction, many are really happy. This schedule allows them to take pre-reqs and capstone courses in the same semester. Others are saying that if they get the prof they dislike, it only lasts 8 weeks. Not all classes will be on that schedule, including night and large sections. If conflicts arise that impact a student's graduation date, that will be handled individually.

Right, find me a happy student. The repairs to the HVAC system are no longer optional. However, the timetable has been under discussion for 9 months. The most serious problem is that the students found out about the change at just about the worst possible time. The students that are graduating will be taken care of even if it means taking aSports Administration class in lieu of a senior level class in their major. The faculty were simply informed after the fact a couple of days before the students found out. Typical. Neither the "leaders" in the COB nor the even lesser leaders across campus give a rat's rear end about the welfare of students. It goes without saying that the overpaid, golf-playing, generally worthless faculty in the COB don't matter. We'll probably never know who mismanaged this worse Doty, Moore, the Pink Panther, whoever. The only silver lining is that this is a college mess, not a university mess. Come to think of it, the Pink Panther for Dean doesn't seem like such a preposterous idea at the moment.

Real managers would have had this in the printed schedule this past spring.

Date: Oct 22, 2005

Schweppes - This has been discussed with faculty and others since the beginning of the year. The actual timing was negotiated with contractors, etc. in a Friday midafternoon meeting, the results of that meeting were conveyed via email before 5 pm that evening. The faculty/administration have been creating the actual class schedule since that time, and it was released in final form a day or so ago.

All students I talked to are reasonably happy. Of course, some will have some conflicts, but they will be taken care of. Most of us are offering individual studies to those seriously affected.

Date: Oct 22, 2005

In fact, this issue was discussed at a special faculty meeting last May, and the faculty suggested the 8 week semesters as a scheduling solution. My understanding is that the HVAC project was not certain to move forward until late September when the final contract bids were opened. Until then there was some question whether the project would even proceed because of cost factors.

Date: Oct 23, 2005

Loopers,

Thanks for straightening me out on this. Us peons are so often sadly misinformed.

Best Regards,

Date: Oct 23, 2005

CoB Salat Annie wrote:

damn right, they're pissed. this is just another blown call by the inept "leadership" in the CoB.

Be 100% positive that once the heating and A/C is replaced, there is 0% chance of a new business building no matter who is dean. That is a shame for the strides Bill Gunther made toward a new building while he was dean. No further strides will be made for the CoB as long as Doty is viewed as a non-player by the Dome.

Date: Oct 23, 2005

Smoking Management wrote:

CoB Salat Annie wrote: damn right, they're pissed. this is just another blown call by the inept "leadership" in the CoB. Be 100% positive that once the heating and A/C is replaced, there is 0% chance of a new business building no matter who is dean.

My recollection from an IHL meeting I attended last summer is that the IHL selected the building architect late last summer and the site evaluation process is underway. Not much can happen until the site if finalized.

Date: Oct 23, 2005

Smoking Management wrote:

CoB Salat Annie wrote:
damn right, they're pissed. this is just another blown call by the inept "leadership" in the CoB.

Be 100% positive that once the heating and A/C is replaced, there is 0% chance of a new business building no matter who is dean. That is a shame for the strides Bill Gunther made toward a new building while he was dean. No further strides will be made for the CoB as long as Doty is viewed as a non-player by the Dome.

Has the hurricane damage on the coast campuses put a damper on new construction in H'burg? Does anyone know about this?

Date: Oct 23, 2005

HardHat wrote:

. . . the IHL selected the building architect late last summer and the site evaluation process is underway. Not much can happen until the site if finalized.

Now, now, HardHat, let's not be naive. Do we really need a second new college of business building. Stroll over to the HWY 49 side of campus. Just beyond the football stadium you'll see it. The goundsbreaking took place a few months ago. It's called the Trent Lott Economic Develoment Building. A second new business college building indeed.

Date: Oct 23, 2005

Yes, there was a COB faculty meeting in May at which the HVAC plan was discussed. There were precious few facts and lots of conjecture and "I don't know" from Doty.

Almost 5 months later, a complete "solution" was presented to the faculty in the form of an email. Not a face-to-face meeting. An email. No input needed. No further faculty opinions considered. No need to answer questions that Doty couldn't answer if you gave him a month and team of architects, HVAC technicians, two hands, and a flashlight.

Why did it take 5 months to finalize the "plan" IF the HVAC repair were to take place?
Why didn't that plan get approved so that everyone would know the contingency plan?
Why did faculty not have more input into the process?

The answers are simple:
Because Doty's antagonism of Thames has cost the COB any chance of normalcy while either Doty or Thames remains at USM.
Because Thames will not work with anyone associated with the COB after Doty's antics.
Because Doty views his faculty as inconsequential, unthinking morons.

The fact that they hired him as their dean makes me tend to think he's right.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Doink wrote:

The fact that they hired him as their dean makes me tend to think he's right.

Did the COB faculty really have any input on the hiring of the Dean?

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Outside Observer wrote:

Doink wrote:
The fact that they hired him as their dean makes me tend to think he's right.
Did the COB faculty really have any input on the hiring of the Dean?

Never in selecting or rejecting candidates. It is all Dome.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Anyone who thinks faculty had input into the selection of these deans is seriously self-delusional. Two of the five searches failed. One eventually ended with the interim dean getting the position. What sort of candidates do you think we got after the Friday massacre. We always had to sell south Mississippi to qualified people. How many top notch administrators would apply to a university governed in this way. Not only that, the committees were hand-picked by the dome gang. One of the chairs of the CoAL committee was one of the 1% of faculty who wanted Thames in the presidential search, and he voiced this support to the American.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Come to the land of cotton wrote:

Anyone who thinks faculty had input into the selection of these deans is seriously self-delusional. Two of the five searches failed. One eventually ended with the interim dean getting the position. What sort of candidates do you think we got after the Friday massacre. We always had to sell south Mississippi to qualified people. How many top notch administrators would apply to a university governed in this way. Not only that, the committees were hand-picked by the dome gang. One of the chairs of the CoAL committee was one of the 1% of faculty who wanted Thames in the presidential search, and he voiced this support to the American.

And the other co-chair of the CoAL dean's search committee has benefitted tremendously for his efforts, financially and program-wise. My sources in his department report that the entire focus of the department, at the dean's order, has been shifted to this individual's own specialty. Must be nice.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Tri-fold scold not inside watching, secondary source pillow talk half-truths molded to protect the overlooked underappreciated one. He who must interrupt her rappin' presence and the holidays aren't even here yet. With health concerns and all, better to just stop reading but what else is a biz grad girl to do for her moonlighting man? Too bad the family estrangement precluded a safety net, sad really. What's that little child learning from family besides hypocrisy? Cronyism's not so bad unless you're never chosen. The wrong cronies are in charge time and time again but they'll eventually retire or move on and he'll get his day. Stuck in place disguised as unwavering commitment. Pathetic denial in the state of provincial delusion. Thank goodness (no, none here) for lawfirm lagniappe. Moral supremacy requires the uncovering and sharing of past sins, human sins, the juicier the better. Everyone else is an ethical lightweight, don't you know. Can't fathom that four administrations look down on administrative skimming and sabbatical scamming. Ah, but it's a far worse sin to golf. Old school rules and dated standards. This is truly b-lowes the belt.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Black Cat wrote:

Come to the land of cotton wrote: Anyone who thinks faculty had input into the selection of these deans is seriously self-delusional. Two of the five searches failed. One eventually ended with the interim dean getting the position. What sort of candidates do you think we got after the Friday massacre. We always had to sell south Mississippi to qualified people. How many top notch administrators would apply to a university governed in this way. Not only that, the committees were hand-picked by the dome gang. One of the chairs of the CoAL committee was one of the 1% of faculty who wanted Thames in the presidential search, and he voiced this support to the American. And the other co-chair of the CoAL dean's search committee has benefitted tremendously for his efforts, financially and program-wise. My sources in his department report that the entire focus of the department, at the dean's order, has been shifted to this individual's own specialty. Must be nice.

Black Cat--I believe you and I are talking about the same person.

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Come to the land of cotton wrote:

Anyone who thinks faculty had input into the selection of these deans is seriously self-delusional. Two of the five searches failed. One eventually ended with the interim dean getting the position. What sort of candidates do you think we got after the Friday massacre. We always had to sell south Mississippi to qualified people. How many top notch administrators would apply to a university governed in this way. Not only that, the committees were hand-picked by the dome gang. One of the chairs of the CoAL committee was one of the 1% of faculty who wanted Thames in the presidential search, and he voiced this support to the American.

This is more what I expected to be the case

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Black Cat wrote:

And the other co-chair of the CoAL dean's search committee has benefitted tremendously for his efforts, financially and program-wise. My sources in his department report that the entire focus of the department, at the dean's order, has been shifted to this individual's own specialty. Must be nice.

Could you be referring to the history department's ill-advised decision to put all its resources into military history, a field that is, being charitable, marginal?

Date: Oct 24, 2005

new to USM wrote:

Black Cat wrote:

And the other co-chair of the CoAL dean's search committee has benefitted tremendously for his efforts, financially and program-wise. My sources in his department report that the entire focus of the department, at the dean's order, has been shifted to this individual's own specialty. Must be nice.

Could you be referring to the history department's ill-advised decision to put all its resources into military history, a field that is, being charitable, marginal?

Could this be because the dean likes to blow things up?

Date: Oct 24, 2005

Come to the land of cotton wrote:

new to USM wrote:

Could this be because the dean likes to blow things up?

Right on the money! This is how EP's mind works: Years ago he reads a book by Stephen Ambrose (a historian whose scholarly merits were inversely related to his sales), so he thinks all history should be military history. To him it is, because he's read only one book at the beach or while sitting on the crapper (savor that image!). Or he's seen a documentary on the Panzer tank on the history channel. Meanwhile, the department has no one publishing in US women's history, a field in which it once held a significant reputation. Its ranks of Civil Right historians are depleted--another area in which history had a national reputation.