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coastliner

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you alll, or y'all, have fought a good fight....now is the time to to step up or die on the vine...now....now...now....

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Voter

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Yo Coastliner,

We have been following you and your ellipses on several threads now. What is this latest tangent--more to the point, what are you smoking? As we have patiently pointed out, the faculty has stepped up time and again, and continues to do so. As for dying on the vine--who exactly do you mean? The faculty won't die--they have demonstrated time and again their mobility and marketability. If, on the other hand, SFT cum chums, bidness types, IHL, etc. insist on industrial doses of RoundUp, maybe USM will indeed wither. The faculty, however, will all be safe and sound, munching happily in greener pastures--you can book it.

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coastliner

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good respone voter...

is there anybody out there?

seems like the facullty is asleep or scared out of their .........

get activce.....

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Invictus

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Top 100 B-School Prof

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Coastliner, FYI, your very own business school is making a spirited charge toward the upper ranks of business schools.  Despite some university-wide setbacks, the CoB is still skyrocketing "to the top" in its quest for national recognition.  As you know, we have muliple points of delivery on the gulf coast and hope to have an outlet every five miles down there.  Please be patient.  Our growing specialties are in the areas of drug dealership and gambling, we call this our "addiction centered" curriculum, no else does it like we do in the world.  Hang in there, Coastliner, and if you get down, just contact one of homegrown pharmaceutical reps, they make it all feel better.  Or, get you a free cocktail down at of those casinos, I hear our students are learning how to mix the drinks strong.  I wonder why they do this?  Oh, better ask the experts.    

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Calendar girl

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coastliner wrote:

good respone voter...

is there anybody out there?

seems like the facullty is asleep or scared out of their .........

get activce.....




Hey, Coastliner, be cool. Faculty members are doing last-minute preparations for meeting their classes, and administrators are also gearing up for the new semester. Folks are busy, okay? To every thing, there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.

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coastliner

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good responses...guys and gals...

but the real question...remains unanswered...do you want to stay and fight or die on the vine?

You have fought a good fight.....but it appears that the fight is faltering...the desire is not apparent anymore....you have lost your will ... you think you could see the end...and you will set back and trust that you will be taken care of by...another Big Daddy....or Mommy...akl's daughter....to lead us all out of the wildnerness......

smoking....

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Third Witch

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I'm beginning to think coastliner is visiting from another dimension. When he leaves, I have a list of people he can take with him.

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coastliner

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The real question is: WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO AS AN INSTITUTION? SJ emphasis with capital letters....

if the folk's that are left there can not get together...get organized...or unionized....to demand your rights...get a plan....get some direction...then you will have to live what others have left you...and that you may have been a SMALL part in creatiing ...or allowing to develop....then you will have to live with it.....

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new 2005 faculty member

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what is going on here? nobody told me. when does the the AAUP meet? i need info.

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stephen judd

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Coastliner:

You have made your point clear -- intermidably.

Obviously you are out of the loop . . . as I have indicated before, the work goes on, it just goes on at a lower volume and a different pace. This Board is not the sole source of conversation, planning, or activism.

I'd be happy to suggest ways you might get involved but I'm not sure you are in a position to do so. If you are in a position and aren't involved -- your pleas for "action" aren't very credible. If you are not in a position to be directly active, then I assume you have it in your power to write letters to the editor, bug the Board, and do the kind of thing that private citizens with an interest in an issue can do.

Otherwise, it would be mannerly of you not to put yourself in the position of being the corner demagogue harranguing the locals, who are continuing their work but also have other lives to lead. Many of us have taken advantage of this quiet time to repair our private and professional lives preparatory to opening the school year.
As residents of the war zone, we are highly aware of what at stake and your continual warnings are beginning to be patronizing.

You are coming off a bit like a voyeur who gets off on the emotionality of the conversation and needs the stimulation of a pitched battle to maintain your own interest. Not all of us need that to maintain our focus. I hope that isn't true in your case -- just sharing my own private perceptions.

Thank you.





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Patti

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Third Witch wrote:


I'm beginning to think coastliner is visiting from another dimension. When he leaves, I have a list of people he can take with him.

SFT's name wouldn't happen to be at the top of that list would it ? 

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coastliner

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HEY SJ..GLAD TO WAKE YOU UP....BUT THE REAL QUESTION REMAINS? ARE WE DEAD AS A VOICE TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE? DO WE WANT TO GET REALLY ACTIVE? WILL WE PUT IT ON ALL ON THE LINE AS SOME OF US DID IN THE PAST? WE REALLY DID ,WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT...AND WE SUFFERED FOR IT. LOOK AT THE RECORD....INVESTIGATE....

AND THE BEST OF LUCK TO ALL IN CONTINUING TO TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OF A HELL OF A BAD SITUATION......TWO MORE YEARS...REALLY...DO YOU BELIEVE IT?

DON'T DIE ON THE VINE....CONTINUE LIVING AND FIGHTING!!!












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pearl river in hancock

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It looks like coastliner may be our friend....don't discount him...or her.....

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stephen judd

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coastliner wrote:





HEY SJ..GLAD TO WAKE YOU UP....


Coastliner -- I find this offensive rather than helpful. I'm not asleep -- and neither are many on this board or in the community.


BUT THE REAL QUESTION REMAINS? ARE WE DEAD AS A VOICE TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE?


What makes you think we are "Dead"?


DO WE WANT TO GET REALLY ACTIVE? WILL WE PUT IT ON ALL ON THE LINE AS SOME OF US DID IN THE PAST? WE REALLY DID ,WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT...AND WE SUFFERED FOR IT. LOOK AT THE RECORD....INVESTIGATE....


I don't know who you are but I don't think I need a lecture about laying it all the line. My credentials are out there -- as are many on this board. Where are yours, if I can be so bold?


AND THE BEST OF LUCK TO ALL IN CONTINUING TO TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OF A HELL OF A BAD SITUATION......TWO MORE YEARS...REALLY...DO YOU BELIEVE IT? DON'T DIE ON THE VINE....CONTINUE LIVING AND FIGHTING!!! A


I quite agree with this part of your statement -- perhaps framing your call to arms a bit more constructively might help. Your framing of the issues automatically means that you interpret a lack of a response that you find acceptable as meanign that the rest of us are "dead."  That isn't exactly an incentive to dialogue.


Now, let me advance this -- I think there isn't much talk right now because we mostly already know what we have to do and if you review the thousands of posts on this board and the Fire Shelby Board you will remember that the kind of academic community, the kind of processes we abelieve in, and the kind of actions we need to take have been the subject of many many conversations. I'd not say those conversations are over -- but I think that until we reconvene this month and get a better sense of where we are and what plans the administration has most of the talking you are asking for is not only repetitive to many of us but is downright masturbatory.


You are very right -- there is an awful lot to do. I hope that you are going to be a part of it. Course, I can't tell because you won't even indicate if you specifically are in the academic, staff, student, or administrative community at USM or not. So it is difficult to know what pleas for action signifiy . . .  





 


 



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Fly

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Coastliner,


I question your choice of venue for your ramblings.  The good folks on this board, whether I agree with them all of the time or not, are (by in large) the ones that are fighting.  Suggesting that SJ and all of the rest are doing any less is very misguided.  I agree with SJ -- I know how much he has fought, and I also know what others who are not quite so open with their names have done as well.  Have you fought -- or are you just at a loss as to how to spend your computer time?  If you want to light a fire under our less vocal faculty members -- I suspect that you will not find them here.  Go out and drum up new AAUP membership.  You are preaching to the choir on this board.



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