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Reporter

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On page 2A of today's hard copy of the Hattiesburg American there is a very short piece entitled, "Board Reports No Extra Expenses".  The IHL did not pay the legal fees.


"The university paid $107,589 in legal fees ...and about $350,000 in compensation to the two professors."


So it appears that SFT determined when the fees were paid rather than the IHL Board.  Some believed the payment was delayed in order to avoid bad PR while SFT was after another term.  Some suggest this is evidence of a Board conspiracy against USM.  But now we see, except for their approval of the agreement, the Board was not involved in the payments, only SFT.   


 


  



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stinky cheese man

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that's not new (or news) at least to me. each university has to keep funds on hand to pay their legal expenses.  the key issue, and it wasn't addressed by the little story in the HA, is when the bill was submitted for approval by the IHL. 

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Early Morning Reader

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But aren't all legal fees approved by the IHL Board?  I think I've read about significantly smaller amounts (under $5,000) approved for all of the universities on a regular basis.


Seems like there are four scenarios that have been raised about this, the two that have already been discussed:


1.  Conspiracy Theory - idea that the board colluded to keep the timing of the legal expense from the public until after the one-year contract extension was announced.


2.  Reporter's Thames Theory - idea that Shelby himself kept the timing of the legal expense from the public until his contract was extended for a year.


There are another two that are perhaps corollaries of the first two:


C1.  Is it possible the board supporters, under the old leadership, had either promised Shelby or were going to attempt to "bury" these legal expenses as board expenses and that the new IHL leadership both denied and "outed" the expenses?  Timing would support this as well.


C2.  Is it possible that Shelby, with his history of telling the board less than whole truths, deceived them yet again until after he received his extension?  This idea begs the question as to why the board was not more on top of these major expenses and what kind of guidance Shelby was getting from the USM attorney and his VP of Finance attorney on the matter.  How (and where) were the accrued expenses reported for over a year?


Maybe this is not a helpful line of thought but I'm on my first coffee and newspaper and read the same mini-article that Reporter did. 


Happy 4th everyone.



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Early Morning Reader

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stinky cheese man wrote:


that's not new (or news) at least to me. each university has to keep funds on hand to pay their legal expenses.  the key issue, and it wasn't addressed by the little story in the HA, is when the bill was submitted for approval by the IHL. 

You posted while I was keying.  Do you have that information?  Please share.

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stinky cheese man

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i assume you're referring to when the bill was submitted. i don't know about that.

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Early Morning Reader

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But you were astute to raise it as an important question, thanks.

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Invictus

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This really underscores the fact that Thames wasted about a half million dollars that could have been spent on instruction when he pursued his egotistical little vendetta against the professors. Had IHL paid the bill, it could be argued that nothing came out of funds earmarked for instruction. But when you get down to the brass tacks of it, every cent that goes to USM is earmarked for instruction ... until it's diverted into bloated salaries for unqualified lawyers with no experience whatsoever in operating universities.

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Invictus wrote:

This really underscores the fact that Thames wasted about a half million dollars that could have been spent on instruction when he pursued his egotistical little vendetta against the professors. Had IHL paid the bill, it could be argued that nothing came out of funds earmarked for instruction. But when you get down to the brass tacks of it, every cent that goes to USM is earmarked for instruction ... until it's diverted into bloated salaries for unqualified lawyers with no experience whatsoever in operating universities.


The thing that gripes me about all this is having El Diablo stand up in front of the Faculty Senate saying "You can have your affirmative action office OR you can have two faculty lines.....you choose." And at the same time wasting the half-mil cause he was pi$$ed at two faculty members for quesioning AD's bogus credentials. Jeez.......



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Ticked

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Invictus wrote:


This really underscores the fact that Thames wasted about a half million dollars that could have been spent on instruction when he pursued his egotistical little vendetta against the professors. 


You bet. the funds the university squandered on the S/G inappropriate termination attempt debacle could have been spent on instruction. That would have been a good place to spend it.


It could have also been spent on faculty research (I need not mention the numerous ways it could have been used in this capacity).


Another use for the wasted funds might have been augmenting our paultry funded and non- competitive graduate assistantships.


Finally, the funds might have been used for an across-the-board augmentation of the salaries of staff (e.g., secretaries) or faculty. What a morale builder that would have been. The MIDAS scheme would pale by comparison.


USM would have been better off using the wasted funds to establish yet a third student newspaper, resurface its streets one more time, or purchase new lightpoles. The taxpayer and the legislature will wise up one of the days.


 


 



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Invictus

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Ticked wrote:

The taxpayer and the legislature will wise up one of the days.



I have lived in Mississippi for 50 of my 52 years. I have voted in Mississippi for 34 years. I'm still waiting for the taxpayers & the legislature to wise up. I don't expect it to happen during my allotted time on this sphere.

In fact, I kinda think that the average Mississippi voters expect public officials to be crooks & that when a public official appears to be honest, the voters figure s/he's simply too inept to be a good crook.

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Central Mississippi Cynic

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Invictus wrote:


Ticked wrote: The taxpayer and the legislature will wise up one of the days. I have lived in Mississippi for 50 of my 52 years. I have voted in Mississippi for 34 years. I'm still waiting for the taxpayers & the legislature to wise up. I don't expect it to happen during my allotted time on this sphere. In fact, I kinda think that the average Mississippi voters expect public officials to be crooks & that when a public official appears to be honest, the voters figure s/he's simply too inept to be a good crook.


Invictus,


if the choice were between a candidate who was corrupt but smart vs. one who was honest but dumb, all other things being equal, which would you vote for? I believe that Louisiana has been in that position once or twice.



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Weighing In

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We have so many bright intelligent people in both states - we need to reject the pathetic status quo and start putting in our own people who have proven that their ambition is not greed. If it turns out they let power overtake brain cells, we just get rid of them

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Lessons Learned

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Weighing In wrote:


 If it turns out they let power overtake brain cells, we just get rid of them

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Central Mississippi Cynic wrote:

Invictus,
if the choice were between a candidate who was corrupt but smart vs. one who was honest but dumb, all other things being equal, which would you vote for? I believe that Louisiana has been in that position once or twice.



No, in Louisiana we sometimes had to choose between corrupt but smart vs. corrupt but dumb. Then there was Edwards vs. Duke, where we had corrupt vs. evil. That was a choice, by golly.

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legos

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However, in LA you at least sometimes get corrupt but entertaining.  In MS we never get the entertaining part.

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Invictus

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Central Mississippi Cynic wrote:

if the choice were between a candidate who was corrupt but smart vs. one who was honest but dumb, all other things being equal, which would you vote for?



I'd vote for the honest one. In fact, I've been in that position more than once.

Politics (as it is commonly practiced in the United States) doesn't require a helluva lot of brains anyway. The only real "advantage" a smart politican has is that s/he can figure out innovative ways to be corrupt.

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Invictus

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I'll also note that, contrary to what our high school civics teachers tried to get us to believe, it is perfectly acceptable not to vote.


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USM Sympathizer

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Invictus wrote:


 every cent that goes to USM is earmarked for instruction ... until it's diverted into bloated salaries for unqualified lawyers with no experience whatsoever in operating universities.

This comment leads me to wonder: does USM still even have a "risk manager"?  Or did that position disappear when what's-his-name was given his walking papers?  If the latter, then doesn't that fact imply that a "risk manager" was not needed in the first place?

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oldtimer

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USM Sympathizer wrote:


This comment leads me to wonder: does USM still even have a "risk manager"?  Or did that position disappear when what's-his-name was given his walking papers?  If the latter, then doesn't that fact imply that a "risk manager" was not needed in the first place?

Neither Aubrey nor Horace needed a "risk manager" beyond using the services of the university attorney (Lee Gore).  Only SFT needed to add the services of a Kentucky carpetbagger to his henchcrew.

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Arnold

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Is Lee Gore still at USM?

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stinky cheese man

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yes--lee gore is still at USM.

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