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The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever.  Ole Miss defeated Oklahoma in the same regional today, and moves into the championship round, which begins tomorrow afternoon.  If the Rebels can win one tomorrow or Monday, they will take the Oxford Regional and will host a Super Regional next week as a National Seed.


In other action, the Bulldogs of State lost to the Miami Hurricanes in the Miami Regional.  Now, State faces Florida Atlantic once again in an elimination game tomorrow afternoon.  If they win, they face Miami later in the day.


The Eagles finished the post-season play at 2-4.  Corky has likely already heard from Thames at this point.  Maybe that phone call wasn't too bad.


Meanwhile . . . In an article in the 6/6/2005 issue of Sports Illustrated on college softball ("Hitting the Big Time"), Michael Silver writes "With impressive TV ratings, a Web presence and a crossover appeal cemented by the dominant performance of last year's U.S. Olympic team, softball is poised to make a run at women's basketball as the NCAA's glamour sport for female athletes."  Of course, if Silver proves a sage Mr. G will look even more like a dunce for trading Lu Harris for Ms. "She'll rip your head off and shove it up your nose."  The fact that Mr. G USM threw Harris to the (UGA) dawgs still rings as the one of the most bone-headed moves ever.


Coming Up: Our Final 4 Report, and some early football coverage.   


 



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Can't wait to see your latest pile of bull****.


 


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The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever.  Ole Miss defeated Oklahoma in the same regional today, and moves into the championship round, which begins tomorrow afternoon.  If the Rebels can win one tomorrow or Monday, they will take the Oxford Regional and will host a Super Regional next week as a National Seed. In other action, the Bulldogs of State lost to the Miami Hurricanes in the Miami Regional.  Now, State faces Florida Atlantic once again in an elimination game tomorrow afternoon.  If they win, they face Miami later in the day. The Eagles finished the post-season play at 2-4.  Corky has likely already heard from Thames at this point.  Maybe that phone call wasn't too bad. Meanwhile . . . In an article in the 6/6/2005 issue of Sports Illustrated on college softball ("Hitting the Big Time"), Michael Silver writes "With impressive TV ratings, a Web presence and a crossover appeal cemented by the dominant performance of last year's U.S. Olympic team, softball is poised to make a run at women's basketball as the NCAA's glamour sport for female athletes."  Of course, if Silver proves a sage Mr. G will look even more like a dunce for trading Lu Harris for Ms. "She'll rip your head off and shove it up your nose."  The fact that Mr. G USM threw Harris to the (UGA) dawgs still rings as the one of the most bone-headed moves ever. Coming Up: Our Final 4 Report, and some early football coverage.     






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Cox-Purvis Report wrote:


The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever.  Ole Miss defeated Oklahoma in the same regional today, and moves into the championship round, which begins tomorrow afternoon.  If the Rebels can win one tomorrow or Monday, they will take the Oxford Regional and will host a Super Regional next week as a National Seed. In other action, the Bulldogs of State lost to the Miami Hurricanes in the Miami Regional.  Now, State faces Florida Atlantic once again in an elimination game tomorrow afternoon.  If they win, they face Miami later in the day. The Eagles finished the post-season play at 2-4.  Corky has likely already heard from Thames at this point.  Maybe that phone call wasn't too bad. Meanwhile . . . In an article in the 6/6/2005 issue of Sports Illustrated on college softball ("Hitting the Big Time"), Michael Silver writes "With impressive TV ratings, a Web presence and a crossover appeal cemented by the dominant performance of last year's U.S. Olympic team, softball is poised to make a run at women's basketball as the NCAA's glamour sport for female athletes."  Of course, if Silver proves a sage Mr. G will look even more like a dunce for trading Lu Harris for Ms. "She'll rip your head off and shove it up your nose."  The fact that Mr. G USM threw Harris to the (UGA) dawgs still rings as the one of the most bone-headed moves ever. Coming Up: Our Final 4 Report, and some early football coverage.     


Gianniny is certainly praying that college softball doesn't take off ahead of basketball now.  Lu Harris at Georgia winning 50+ games and getting better every year, and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops.


It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago. 



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I wouldn't give up on Lee-McNelis yet.  Our women's program had sunk so low it will take some time to bring us back.  She is off to a great start in recruiting though.


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and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops. It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago. 






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We will see wrote:


I wouldn't give up on Lee-McNelis yet.  Our women's program had sunk so low it will take some time to bring us back.  She is off to a great start in recruiting though. that's right wrote: and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops. It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago. 

You can have Lee-McNelis.  I'll take Lu Harris any day.

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I wish we still had Lu Harris too.  But that has nothing to do with what kind of coach that Lee-McNelis is.


potato potato wrote:





We will see wrote: I wouldn't give up on Lee-McNelis yet.  Our women's program had sunk so low it will take some time to bring us back.  She is off to a great start in recruiting though. that's right wrote: and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops. It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago.  You can have Lee-McNelis.  I'll take Lu Harris any day.






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We will see wrote:


I wish we still had Lu Harris too.  But that has nothing to do with what kind of coach that Lee-McNelis is. potato potato wrote: We will see wrote: I wouldn't give up on Lee-McNelis yet.  Our women's program had sunk so low it will take some time to bring us back.  She is off to a great start in recruiting though. that's right wrote: and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops. It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago.  You can have Lee-McNelis.  I'll take Lu Harris any day.


I think the point is that Georgia's AD saw in Lu Harris a person that could get them to a national championship in college softball.  Georgia just won the NCAA Men's Golf Championship this afternoon, and they brought home the Women's Gymnastics crown about a month or two ago.  Softball could now easily be part of their repotiore.


Mr. G. watched a potential title winner leave USM, the year she darn near won one.  Many have posted here that Harris wasn't asking for much.  Is Lee-McNelis going to bring an NCAA title to Hattiesburg?  Georgia's AD is in a different galaxy in terms of vision.



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You are right.  Without Harris the only thing USM has that is close to winning a national title now is table tennis, and that's a club sport that Gianninneee has nothing to do with. 

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I can't argue with your points about Lu Harris.  I just don't see the need to denigrate Lee-McNelis in the process (not that you were doing that but others were).


 


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We will see wrote: I wish we still had Lu Harris too.  But that has nothing to do with what kind of coach that Lee-McNelis is. potato potato wrote: We will see wrote: I wouldn't give up on Lee-McNelis yet.  Our women's program had sunk so low it will take some time to bring us back.  She is off to a great start in recruiting though. that's right wrote: and USM stuck with 39 people in Green Coliseum watching Lee-McNelis flounder around with hoops. It's hard to believe USM was in back-to-back WCWS just a few short years ago.  You can have Lee-McNelis.  I'll take Lu Harris any day. I think the point is that Georgia's AD saw in Lu Harris a person that could get them to a national championship in college softball.  Georgia just won the NCAA Men's Golf Championship this afternoon, and they brought home the Women's Gymnastics crown about a month or two ago.  Softball could now easily be part of their repotiore. Mr. G. watched a potential title winner leave USM, the year she darn near won one.  Many have posted here that Harris wasn't asking for much.  Is Lee-McNelis going to bring an NCAA title to Hattiesburg?  Georgia's AD is in a different galaxy in terms of vision.






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We will see wrote:


"I just don't see the need to denigrate Lee-McNelis in the process (not that you were doing that but others were)."  


I agree.  As far as I know, there is not any reason to run down Lee-McNelis.  If anything, she appears to be the victim of RG's unfortunate comment about ripping off heads and shoving up noses. 


Perhaps that sort of statement says more about the speaker than anyone else.   Maybe it plays well with a certain kind of fan. Others may find it rather -- uh -- "offputting"?


(The anatomical picture is confusing to me.  Rip off your head, shove it up your nose?  Maybe it depends on what "it" means.  Maybe "nose" was a last second, in-flight substitution.)



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ram wrote:


We will see wrote: "I just don't see the need to denigrate Lee-McNelis in the process (not that you were doing that but others were)."   I agree.  As far as I know, there is not any reason to run down Lee-McNelis.  If anything, she appears to be the victim of RG's unfortunate comment about ripping off heads and shoving up noses.  Perhaps that sort of statement says more about the speaker than anyone else.   Maybe it plays well with a certain kind of fan. Others may find it rather -- uh -- "offputting"? (The anatomical picture is confusing to me.  Rip off your head, shove it up your nose?  Maybe it depends on what "it" means.  Maybe "nose" was a last second, in-flight substitution.)

ram, it was Joye Lee-McNelis that made the rip of and shove up the nose statement, not RG.  She has only herself to blame for that one.

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I would really know to know why CPR is so anti-every sport at USM? Was she a softball player under Lu Harris? That's my guess.

I like the reports, I think she should write one every day, because it exposes this board for what it really is an anti-athletics board.

This board has a dislike for athletics in general and this is the best way to let everyone see it.

Keep fighing athletics and putting them down, in the end you will be crushed just like Fleming.

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Just caught up and saw that USM went two and out in the regional.  I knew we were hosed when I saw the bracket didn't have South Florida in it.

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ram

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Athletic Eagle wrote:


Keep fighing athletics and putting them down, in the end you will be crushed just like Fleming.


But Fleming wasn't crushed.  He just lost his job at USM. Maybe some folks will just be crushed like Lu Harris.


I don't even understand who the "you" is that you refer to.  The faculty?  All of us posters?  If you've been reading here for a while, you should know that many of us trace our allegiance to USM athletics way back, even to that mystic time before SMTTT.



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Athletic Eagle wrote:


I would really know to know why CPR is so anti-every sport at USM? Was she a softball player under Lu Harris? That's my guess. I like the reports, I think she should write one every day, because it exposes this board for what it really is an anti-athletics board. This board has a dislike for athletics in general and this is the best way to let everyone see it. Keep fighing athletics and putting them down, in the end you will be crushed just like Fleming.


Athletic Eagle,


Anti- sports? Bullturf. I've probably attended more college football games and sat in more major stadiums than your cold little tailfeathers will experience in a lifetime. Go wag your tail in front of someone who cares.



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Cox-Purvis Report wrote:

The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever. 



CPR

I know you really like to try to play sports reporter, and if that's what you like to do for fun, that's all well and good, but please at least make a concerted effort to get a few facts here and there.

Above is completely incorrect. This was not the first time USM has gone 0-2 in a baseball regional. In 1991, USM was 0-2 at the Austin Regional

USM 5 Long Beach St. 6 (LBSU had Jason Giambi on that team)

USM 2 Texas 18

I know you take great pride in each USM baseball loss, so I am suprised that you were unaware of this fact, but I am comforted that you have now filed this away and will be happy to bring it out whenever needed from this point on.

If you really want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you try to be somewhat accurate in your reports. Plus, get rid of your Lu Harris fixation, it's just annoying at this point.

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wait a minute wrote:


 "ram, it was Joye Lee-McNelis that made the rip of and shove up the nose statement, not RG.  She has only herself to blame for that one. "


My apologies to Mister G.


It is an unappetizing image irrespective of its source.  Oh for the more refined, halcyon days of "Kill the bums!"



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CPR I know you really like to try to play sports reporter, and if that's what you like to do for fun, that's all well and good, but please at least make a concerted effort to get a few facts here and there. Above is completely incorrect. This was not the first time USM has gone 0-2 in a baseball regional. In 1991, USM was 0-2 at the Austin Regional USM 5 Long Beach St. 6 (LBSU had Jason Giambi on that team) USM 2 Texas 18 I know you take great pride in each USM baseball loss, so I am suprised that you were unaware of this fact, but I am comforted that you have now filed this away and will be happy to bring it out whenever needed from this point on. If you really want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you try to be somewhat accurate in your reports. Plus, get rid of your Lu Harris fixation, it's just annoying at this point.

Completely incorrect?  You sure use a lot of words just to say "since 1991."

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CPR

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Cox-Purvis Report wrote: The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever.  CPR I know you really like to try to play sports reporter, and if that's what you like to do for fun, that's all well and good, but please at least make a concerted effort to get a few facts here and there. Above is completely incorrect. This was not the first time USM has gone 0-2 in a baseball regional. In 1991, USM was 0-2 at the Austin Regional USM 5 Long Beach St. 6 (LBSU had Jason Giambi on that team) USM 2 Texas 18 I know you take great pride in each USM baseball loss, so I am suprised that you were unaware of this fact, but I am comforted that you have now filed this away and will be happy to bring it out whenever needed from this point on. If you really want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you try to be somewhat accurate in your reports. Plus, get rid of your Lu Harris fixation, it's just annoying at this point.


Seeker, don't worry about us.  That comment was fascetious and thrown in for Kudzu King and info/correction, the big-time USM fans that were on this board recently saying that USM had "never" gone 0-2 in a regional, "ever."  They act like the Report is chok full of misstatements every time, and we prove them wrong.  This time we threw one in, and --- how funny it is --- we haven't heard from them. 


Thanks for reading.  And Lu Harris sends her love from the UCLA Super Regional (somewhere USM baseball has never been, right?).  She'll soon get to Oklahoma City on a regular basis. 



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Athletic Eagle wrote:


I would really know to know why CPR is so anti-every sport at USM? Was she a softball player under Lu Harris? That's my guess. I like the reports, I think she should write one every day, because it exposes this board for what it really is an anti-athletics board. This board has a dislike for athletics in general and this is the best way to let everyone see it. Keep fighing athletics and putting them down, in the end you will be crushed just like Fleming.


Actually -- a good many on this board (and many of the faculty I know) enjoy athletics. On the other hand . . . since there is a high percentage of faculty and students on this board there is always a concern with how athletics plays into the larger picture at USM, as it does any university with a Div I program. This questionng is NOT unusual and it is not limited to USM. It certainly does not help that there is certainly a perception among many academics that athletics rather than scholarship has now become the raison detre for the existence of the university -- something that your post certainly more than implies.


I find myself having ambivilent feelings about the role of athletics in any major university. Not athletics per se, but athletics as a revenue generating area (in theory) and as a "marquee" where a university advertises itself. It is at least a contestable issue as to whether a great university can end up fielding a great athletic program, or whether a great athletic program can "ratchet up" the rest of the university and the rest of its programs. I'm not sure there is great evidence for the latter. On the other hand, a case can be made that some univertisities have clearly diverted resources that could have gone to the academic area in order to achieve a temporary high profile in athletics. There is always concern about how a major intercollegiate athletic program enhances or how it detracts from the academic side. These issues are of concern to academicians (and athletics supporters) across the country. On the other hand, it should never even be an issue about whether academics detract from intercollegiate sports -- that is, if you accept the idea that academics is the central idea behind why a university exists.


It is interesting that your assertion that those who raise concerns about specific decisions made in athletics or about the interplay of athletics and academics should be silent or be "crushed" seems to me to imply a pretty warped sense of priorities. I wasn't aware that the major role of a university was to entertain its alumni through sports, or that athletics had become the real objective of the university. Thanks for letting me know -- since I'm a bit too long in the tooth to be an athlete anymore and I pretty much only have the academic skills I have aquired over the last nearly thirty years to offer the university, I guess I'll just pack my bags now and join the rest of the academic exodus.


 



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stephen judd wrote:


 I guess I'll just pack my bags now and join the rest of the academic exodus.  

I hope this is rhetoric.

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CPR wrote:

Seeker wrote:
Cox-Purvis Report wrote: The USM Eagles were handled easily this afternoon, going down to Maine in an elimination game.  With the loss, USM goes 0-2 in an NCAA Regional for the first time ever.  CPR I know you really like to try to play sports reporter, and if that's what you like to do for fun, that's all well and good, but please at least make a concerted effort to get a few facts here and there. Above is completely incorrect. This was not the first time USM has gone 0-2 in a baseball regional. In 1991, USM was 0-2 at the Austin Regional USM 5 Long Beach St. 6 (LBSU had Jason Giambi on that team) USM 2 Texas 18 I know you take great pride in each USM baseball loss, so I am suprised that you were unaware of this fact, but I am comforted that you have now filed this away and will be happy to bring it out whenever needed from this point on. If you really want anyone to take you seriously, I suggest you try to be somewhat accurate in your reports. Plus, get rid of your Lu Harris fixation, it's just annoying at this point.

Seeker, don't worry about us.  That comment was fascetious and thrown in for Kudzu King and info/correction, the big-time USM fans that were on this board recently saying that USM had "never" gone 0-2 in a regional, "ever."  They act like the Report is chok full of misstatements every time, and we prove them wrong.  This time we threw one in, and --- how funny it is --- we haven't heard from them. 
Thanks for reading.  And Lu Harris sends her love from the UCLA Super Regional (somewhere USM baseball has never been, right?).  She'll soon get to Oklahoma City on a regular basis. 




No, what happend here is that I caught you posting falsehoods as fact and you are now trying to weazle you way out of it. Admit that you were wrong and move on, to do anything less you loose any credit that you had here.

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seeker, you have missed alot of the back and forth in these sports posts evidently.  Go look at the nearby one called "Baseball ... Baseball ..." and do some catching up.  There you will find what Kudzu King said about the Eagles never going 0 for 2 in a regional, and you will see the now infamous 2 and a BBQ! phrase made famous by Kudzu that CPR and several others have been throwing back at the USM sportos since yesterday.

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Oak Grove Rebel wrote:

seeker, you have missed alot of the back and forth in these sports posts evidently.  Go look at the nearby one called "Baseball ... Baseball ..." and do some catching up.  There you will find what Kudzu King said about the Eagles never going 0 for 2 in a regional, and you will see the now infamous 2 and a BBQ! phrase made famous by Kudzu that CPR and several others have been throwing back at the USM sportos since yesterday.



That may all well be true, but at least they haven't went 2 and a BBQ as the host.

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heard that thames is hacked about the 0-2 deal, and is now asking palmer questions about jettisoning assistant coaches.  he tells palmer that bower has been good about that when it's clear the current crew isn't getting them any closer to "the next level."

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Just more bs from posters on this board.


 


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heard that thames is hacked about the 0-2 deal, and is now asking palmer questions about jettisoning assistant coaches.  he tells palmer that bower has been good about that when it's clear the current crew isn't getting them any closer to "the next level."






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Seeker wrote:


Oak Grove Rebel wrote:
seeker, you have missed alot of the back and forth in these sports posts evidently.  Go look at the nearby one called "Baseball ... Baseball ..." and do some catching up.  There you will find what Kudzu King said about the Eagles never going 0 for 2 in a regional, and you will see the now infamous 2 and a BBQ! phrase made famous by Kudzu that CPR and several others have been throwing back at the USM sportos since yesterday.


That may all well be true, but at least they haven't went 2 and a BBQ as the host.




I think you've seen the last of USM hosting NCAA baseball regionals. Once my boys get into C-USA, we'll just permanently install the conference trophy in Houston. I doubt Hattiesburg will ever host a regional after that. Might as well get used to driving to Oxford or Starkeville(sp??). Or, maybe you'll get lucky and get to go to the Baton Rouge regional. Any way you look at it, USM is stepping down to 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th) place. By the way, I am not some crackpot -- you can check me out at my practice at the Hattiesburg Clinic. If you're smart, you can find me.

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Rice Owl wrote:


Seeker wrote:

Oak Grove Rebel wrote:
seeker, you have missed alot of the back and forth in these sports posts evidently.  Go look at the nearby one called "Baseball ... Baseball ..." and do some catching up.  There you will find what Kudzu King said about the Eagles never going 0 for 2 in a regional, and you will see the now infamous 2 and a BBQ! phrase made famous by Kudzu that CPR and several others have been throwing back at the USM sportos since yesterday.


That may all well be true, but at least they haven't went 2 and a BBQ as the host.


I think you've seen the last of USM hosting NCAA baseball regionals. Once my boys get into C-USA, we'll just permanently install the conference trophy in Houston. I doubt Hattiesburg will ever host a regional after that. Might as well get used to driving to Oxford or Starkeville(sp??). Or, maybe you'll get lucky and get to go to the Baton Rouge regional. Any way you look at it, USM is stepping down to 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th) place. By the way, I am not some crackpot -- you can check me out at my practice at the Hattiesburg Clinic. If you're smart, you can find me.




Ya see Doc, if the league is strong enough, and it will be with Rice, Tulane, ECU, USM and Houston, you will have multiple host sites. I know this is foreign to you guys playing in the WAC, but ECU and Tulane have hosted in the same year as have Tulane and USM. So, saying that the days of USM baseball hosting is over is a bit premature.

I think Rice has a very, very good program. But, don't expect to go thru a C-USA season without losing a series, this ain't the WAC.

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Ole Miss leads Oklahoma 19-3 in the 8th inning.  Looks like SUPER REGIONAL here we come!!!!!

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As a close personal aquaintance of Coach Lee-McNelis, who has know her longer than most of you have been mis-educating students at USM, I am shocked at what i've seen posted here tonight. To my knowledge, there is not one coach or professor who cares more about USM and it success than her. She gave up more money and much better prestige to "come home to USM". She truly loves USM and the opportunities you professors and the institution has given her and her family. To attribute a quote to her in the fashion that a few ignorant folks above have done is no different than the "climb to the administration building and start shooting" comment you folks have turned back flips over for weks and weeks of your pathetic little lives.

This burn the village mentality you, my professors have taken over the last few years just makes me sick. So sick in fact that I am truly embarrased that some of you educated me. The USM I attended is so much different than the USM of today and I dont just fault Dr. Thames. This equal govenrance many of you so eloquently speak of, is equal both ways in my book. In my mind and many other alumni, the AAUP is just as much at fault for the current state of affairs as Dr. Thames!!!!! I suggest the AAUP start taking the role of trying to be part of the solution and not part of the problem like they have been for the entire Thames presidency. But I guess of its not "your" way then this equal governance thing just isnt what its cracked up to is it?

Posters "Ram" and "Wait a minute"........Im waiting for an explination and a bit of attribution on the comments you both made below concerning head and nose. Knowing Coach McNelis as well as I do, I cant possibly believe she would have said such. Unless it was tongue in cheek. And knowing you guys, if thats the case, you wont rest until her career has been destroyed and even her dog dislikes her!!!! If you guys are just digging for trash, I suggest you lay off before you dig a hole a bit too deep to climb out of!!!!

I am ashamed I have a degree from USM because of the antics the AAUP has pulled over the last few years!!!!! This is just futher proof that the AAUP is just as much part of the problem as the solution.

I had a little caring for your plight at the start of the Thames presidency........but as time has gone on, your selfish droning has swayed me. Now, I hope the college board appoints someone ten times as hard-ass as Dr. Thames to run off many of you who have made my USM a trash dump of professors and administrators!!!!!

Id like to see one or two of you post something positive about USM. I guess thats too much to ask!!!!!

And by coming here I know all of you will expound reams and reams about how i'm out of the loop, not in the know, weak spirited, part of the Thames team, ect ect ect. I really dont care.......I just know of all the folks you seem to like to pick on, Joye Lee-McNelis should be last on the list!!!!!!!

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