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http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/OPINION03/505260324/1014/OPINION


 


I don't know about you, but his story of the LSU prof (2 years of leave? etc.) sounds like bull**** to me>..



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lo

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"http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050526/OPINION03/505260324/1014/OPINION   I don't know about you, but his story of the LSU prof (2 years of leave? etc.) sounds like bull**** to me>.."

I think the veracity is suspect too.  Two years of leave from "highly accredited" LSU.  I love how being at a government franchised monopoly (power company in BR) is the "real world."

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The Management Team

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"If you disagree with the goals of an organization, perhaps it is time to change organizations!"


Can't Mr. Ware see that we have been changing the goals of an organization guided by the vision and wisdom of our great leader, President Shelby Thames?



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Originally posted by: The Management Team

""If you disagree with the goals of an organization, perhaps it is time to change organizations!" Can't Mr. Ware see that we have been changing the goals of an organization guided by the vision and wisdom of our great leader, President Shelby Thames?"


Mr. Ware doesn't realize that SACS says the "strategic Plan" should have faculty input.  SFT and the IHL developed "goals" without a strategic plan.  The faculty have now generated the plan.  Unlike Mr. Ware’s world, in academia when we disagree with the goals we change them to reach a consensus rather than leave.


 



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legalia

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1. Does Shelby Thames have alot of private sector experience?


2. Did faculty get rid of Horace Fleming, as the letter implies?


3. Do you believe the story about the LSU finance prof getting year after year of leave to work for Ware and soak up all of his knowledge?


4. Is Ware implicitly suggesting to Thames that he hire all of the knowledge wealthy retirees (his contemporaries) living in the Pine Belt?  More General Blounts and  and people like the fictional W.J. Johnson?



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5. Is Mississippi becoming a bad "organization?"

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The CISE Chair

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Although she's supposed to be teaching people to teach, was she ever a "real" teacher?

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Cossack

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Jim Ware has an observation of one, which means he has no degrees of freedom to make a prediction. Moreover, the level of finance practiced in a regulated monopoly is more accounting than finance. They are guaranteed a fixed rate of return on their capital base. Their biggest challenge is to try to sneak more assets into the base and hope the regulator does not catch them. It would be easier to bankrupt a university than a power company. The exception to my generalization are those power companies who use derivatives to hedge coal, oil, or natural gas prices, or hedge if they buy power from other power companies. I doubt that a Louisiana power company was in the derivatives market during the period the professor was there. If they were into derivatives, I doubt that Jim Ware was in that section. Trading derivatives takes more mental horsepower then Jimbo has demonstrated.

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LVN

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How does a school become "highly accredited?" I thought you either were or weren't.

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Almost Synomymous

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RE: HA: Jim Ware says faculty don't know "real" world
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The term "Highly Accredited" is about as meaningless as the term "World Class."

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dont know which utility ware worked for, but one of the largest elec utilities in louisiana(cajun) filed for bankruptcy protection and cleco(another elec co) is in trouble


real world sometimes(even in the protected environment of public utilities) does not work out all that great, even though mr ware seems to feel to the contrary


 


(also the guys running southern company, might should have listened a little closer in finance class when they were planning at murant)



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Local Observer

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Rightly or wrongly,Ware's view is similar to the views of the vast majority of workers in the business and professional community.

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Robert Campbell

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Originally posted by: LVN

"How does a school become "highly accredited?" I thought you either were or weren't."


LVN,


I took that phrase to be a slam at accreditation.  Apparently it would be fine with Ware if Thames had succeeded in getting USM deaccredited.


Robert Campbell



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disgusted student

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I am a little confused about something. If President Thames wants the professors to be more active in the business world by helping new businesses start correctly (I think that is what he said). Why would it help businesses if Professors don't know anything about the real world? Sounds like the blind leading the blind.

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dem bones

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Originally posted by: Cossack
"Jim Ware has an observation of one, which means he has no degrees of freedom to make a prediction. Moreover, the level of finance practiced in a regulated monopoly is more accounting than finance. They are guaranteed a fixed rate of return on their capital base. Their biggest challenge is to try to sneak more assets into the base and hope the regulator does not catch them. It would be easier to bankrupt a university than a power company. The exception to my generalization are those power companies who use derivatives to hedge coal, oil, or natural gas prices, or hedge if they buy power from other power companies. I doubt that a Louisiana power company was in the derivatives market during the period the professor was there. If they were into derivatives, I doubt that Jim Ware was in that section. Trading derivatives takes more mental horsepower then Jimbo has demonstrated."


Cossack, not only are you correct, but doesn't the guaranteed fixed rate (on capital) in this area sever any relationship between company performance (fixed) and CEO/Vice CEO competency/performance? 



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astonished

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For the record, this faculty member has 20+ years of successful experience in industry in the field in which I am now teaching.  I got a doctorate in my field and then came to the university in order to explore the specialized fields which underlie best practices in my field, and to expand the business world's knowledge of these best practices.  In many areas, the reason the business practices differ from academic teachings is that business does not keep up with current knowledge (think about medicine, in which a large percentage of the procedures do not conform to current knowledge). 


In most businesses, the time that faculty spend in their organizations results in a good deal of cross-learning - faculty without previous experience learn how the knowledge is applied and the organization's employees get the benefit of working with leading edge knowledge/techniques. This is not evidence that the faculty member did not know about their field.



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However, we must recognize that success is gained by working together toward an established goal


We can trounce Ware for any number of sins. But, the above is an interesting one: what is (are) our "established goal(s)"? More students? Economic development? (Or should that be economic impact, as technology transfer, the new economy, the creative economy are so rarely talked about. Look at the vision of Barker at Clemson re: the biotech world, & you'll see why USM and Mississippi suck hind tit. Forget Boston and Route 28.) Mo' research dollars? An end to tenure? Mississippi Polytech? Hattiesburg Junior College? Midas and wealth for the individual? Nepotism? Rewarding friends?


Alas, we descend.



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You gotta love it. He gives himself away by his opening references, how he was a leader in a multi-billion dollar UTILITY industry. Then he describes a MATURE YOUNG LADY, who probably would point out to him that she really is a WOMAN and that many WOMEN are mature, even when young. Man, what a dunderhead this guy is! But they usually give themselves away like this!

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Athena

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I don't appreciate a white collar blowhard who probably never worked 12 and 16 hour night shifts for 25 years caring for the infirm, demented and busted up saying that I don't know what it is like in the "real world"    Let him think about that before he opens his mouth about "faculty" again.    Nurse Faculty at USM



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Third Witch

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Athena, a strong letter from several nursing faculty to that effect would be a good thing, and might have more chance of being published than something more overtly anti-Thames. You make an excellent, excellent point.

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Originally posted by: Athena

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Hear, hear, Athena!
As Third Witch suggests, PLEASE send a letter. Although this charge of not knowing the "real world" often comes from trolls like JoJo, it is, alas, a widely-held view in the community. I think we need to more agressively combat the stereotype. On another thread, I pointed out (ostensibly in response to JoJo, but in actuality playing to the larger audience) that many of us have extensive "real-world" experience. But, more than that, my real-world experience leads me to the conclusion that even colleagues who have remained largely in the academy would do superior work in the right "real-world" environment.

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Cossack

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dem bones,

You are right, having a guaranteed rate of return on assets does sever the incentive link. However, that does not keep such a company from going down the tubes; see a previous post that two in Louisiana are in bad shape. They can still get in trouble in the asset acquisition side of the equation. The regulators will not let the company put assets into the "official base” to earn a return until they are satisfied that these assets are producing income, i.e., contributing to the production or purchase of electricity that is being sold to consumers. The company messes up by choosing bad projects or choosing projects whose development stage is much longer than the company’s planning estimates. The company usually then has a huge debt service on assets that are not producing revenue, and risk bankruptcy. In reality, the process can be more complicated than I have laid out. I am a novice in this area and there are people that can give you much more detailed information about the process. Suffice it to say, regulated utility managers can fit the old adage about bankers before deregulation; one, three, three, pay 1% on funds, earn 3% on loans, hit the golf course by three o'clock "following the foursome of professors who have morning classes". (For those with short fuses, the quote indicates, Ironic Humor Intended)


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mader logic

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electric power monopoly = "'real world' of competitive business"

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mathematician

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There is no way I can take Jim Ware's advice, because industry and business are still mostly using mathematics which was developed 100-200 years ago. They are not ready for current modern mathematics we study in ACADEMIA.


mathematician



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