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Date: May 19, 2005

Thanks AAUP and Faculty Senate

Date: May 19, 2005

Mr. Wonderful!!!!

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Polly on a mouse
"Mr. Wonderful!!!!"

Duly noted, Polly!

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Oh Happy Day
"Just one year after the Glamser-Stringer hearing Thames will be vacating the presidency, both Dvoraks are gone, Hanbury is gone, Mader is gone, and Hudson is gone. If Glamser had thrown the Dvorak packet in the trash, if AAUP had not authorized an investigation, if Stringer had not agreed to do the investigation, and if Myron Henry and the Faculty Senate had not had the courage to vote "no confidence" by overwhelming margins, this day would not have come so soon, and there would be no relief in sight. "

Excellent comment!

Date: May 19, 2005

May 19th. Never forget that date. A day of liberation.

Date: May 19, 2005

Blessings and heartfelt gratitude to Frank, Gary, Amy, Stephen, Anne, - - I can't even try to do a list, but you know who you are.

And also to John Ower, USM Sympathizer, Austin Eagle, and others like them who have written letters under their "real" names and probably done more than we'll ever know.

Date: May 19, 2005

INVICTUS!! Sorry, I can't make a list, but I can't leave out Invictus.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Oh Happy Day
"Just one year after the Glamser-Stringer hearing Thames will be vacating the presidency, both Dvoraks are gone, Hanbury is gone, Mader is gone, and Hudson is gone. If Glamser had thrown the Dvorak packet in the trash, if AAUP had not authorized an investigation, if Stringer had not agreed to do the investigation, and if Myron Henry and the Faculty Senate had not had the courage to vote "no confidence" by overwhelming margins, this day would not have come so soon, and there would be no relief in sight.

"

Thanks for the kind words for all these good folks. It's been very, very tough for us all but tougher for some.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"INVICTUS!! Sorry, I can't make a list, but I can't leave out Invictus."

Thanks for not leaving your "liberal buddy" off the list, LVN.

But I'm not rejoicing. I'm sad that IHL didn't choose to do the right thing. And I'm sad that my friends at USM are going to get to see how bad it can really get. My guess is that revenge on the "malcontents" that cost him a "successful presidency" is going to be a high priority. Oh, it may not be explicit, but you can bet that the henchcrew will know instinctively what needs to be done.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Invictus
"

Thanks for not leaving your "liberal buddy" off the list, LVN.

But I'm not rejoicing. I'm sad that IHL didn't choose to do the right thing. And I'm sad that my friends at USM are going to get to see how bad it can really get. My guess is that revenge on the "malcontents" that cost him a "successful presidency" is going to be a high priority. Oh, it may not be explicit, but you can bet that the henchcrew will know instinctively what needs to be done.

"

I hate to face it, but I'm afraid you are right Invictus. The IHL just couldn't do the right thing. And the next year could be very grim. Still, it could be the next five years that are grim so at least this is better.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Invictus
" Thanks for not leaving your "liberal buddy" off the list, LVN. But I'm not rejoicing. I'm sad that IHL didn't choose to do the right thing. And I'm sad that my friends at USM are going to get to see how bad it can really get. My guess is that revenge on the "malcontents" that cost him a "successful presidency" is going to be a high priority. Oh, it may not be explicit, but you can bet that the henchcrew will know instinctively what needs to be done. "

Invictus,

I'll play devil's advocate, although please understand that I am not on the scene and do not know the personalities involved, so take what I say with a bag of salt.

Since we can assume that the henchcrew always have their own personal interests at heart, what would be in it for them to implement the destructive orders of a lame duck? Isn't it safer to assume that they will be looking to make their own (safe) exits? Does Shelby really have any genuinely loyal Goebbels types who will lock themselves in the bunker with him? What would be "in it" for any of these people?

Date: May 19, 2005

I agree with USM Sympathizer on this one.

Make it hot enough for the members of the crew, and they will leave of their own accord--or see their administrative careers end when Thames' does.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 19, 2005

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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"I agree with USM Sympathizer on this one. Make it hot enough for the members of the crew, and they will leave of their own accord--or see their administrative careers end when Thames' does. Robert Campbell"

Forgive me Robert, I agree that (some of the SFT crew) administrative careers will be over, but Grimes, Moore can either retire to go back to teaching. Malone and Lassen will continue to carry out the will of SFT.They seem like the type that will moveinto the bunker and ask to stay on as long SFT is prez.

The question is WHAT will SFT do to position Malone and Lassen for the next administration?

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Green Hornet
" Forgive me Robert, I agree that (some of the SFT crew) administrative careers will be over, but Grimes, Moore can either retire to go back to teaching. Malone and Lassen will continue to carry out the will of SFT.They seem like the type that will moveinto the bunker and ask to stay on as long SFT is prez. The question is WHAT will SFT do to position Malone and Lassen for the next administration?"

Right on target, Green Hornet.

Date: May 19, 2005

I wouldnt worry about Lassen and Malone. People like these two dont have much loyalty. Hard to draw a line when you are a jerk, soon you see yourself as king and you forget who "brung" you to dance.

I suspect Lassen and Malone will spend most of their time looking for new employment.

As a side note how long will Angie last at the ADP or Hanbury's law practice?

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: tbs
"I wouldnt worry about Lassen and Malone. People like these two dont have much loyalty. Hard to draw a line when you are a jerk, soon you see yourself as king and you forget who "brung" you to dance. I suspect Lassen and Malone will spend most of their time looking for new employment. As a side note how long will Angie last at the ADP or Hanbury's law practice?"

I agree about the "jerk" comment. But, snakes are snakes, you still need to watch out for them.

Date: May 19, 2005

Why do people think Malone has a shot at being Commissioner? How would he in any conceivable way be qualified for that?

Date: May 19, 2005

Thames can do whatever he likes for his lieutenants.

The real question: what will the USM faculty do, to insure that Lassen and Malone are so infamous that Thames' successor won't want to go near them?

As for Grimes and Moore, they do have tenured faculty titles. So they should be encouraged to go back to the clasroom or the lab as quickly as possible.

No one wants to look that far ahead, but if Thames does return to the Polymer Palace, how will he be viewed on campus?

Robert Campbell

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"if Thames does return to the Polymer Palace, how will he be viewed on campus? Robert Campbell"

Before he was named president, he was hardly ever viewed on campus. He had very little to do with campus life, committees, service work, attendance at anything except maybe sports events. I expect he will just go back into his lab and we won't see him anymore. .....Well, we can always hope, can't we?

Date: May 19, 2005

I think the danger here is not that Thames will get two more years himself but that he sold the IHL on the "plan" and if that is the case, the board will be susceptible to the argument that his "legacy" needs to be carried on by the true believers.

Paul and Burge aren't moving up. Moore and Grimes aren't competent external players. So, it's Lassen, Malone and Exline. Watch them closely to see what alliances develop.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Survivor, USM style
"I think the danger here is not that Thames will get two more years himself but that he sold the IHL on the "plan" and if that is the case, the board will be susceptible to the argument that his "legacy" needs to be carried on by the true believers. Paul and Burge aren't moving up. Moore and Grimes aren't competent external players. So, it's Lassen, Malone and Exline. Watch them closely to see what alliances develop."

No, the real danger is in the next search process. We will have the same cabal of bidness types and athletic supporters who pushed Fleming out and herded Thames in. You can bet that they will be right in the thick of it again to try to get another president that they can control. Even if we finally manage to get rid of the current administration, we are a long way from "phoenix rising from the ashes."

Date: May 19, 2005

As part of my continuing effort to emphasize the good in what happened today, I'll simply mention that a year ago Shelby was surrounded by a much larger henchcrew than are on board today. Angie is gone; Lisa is gone; Jack is gone; Mark is gone. They all got out (or were pushed out) even BEFORE it was obvious that Shelby quacked like a duck and limped like a duck. Let's not forget, too, that Shelby is a lame duck largely because he shot off his own webbed foot, and that he has an uncanny skill for screwing up. I am relatively optimistic partly because Shelby is so thoroughly incompetent. NONE of what has happened to him HAD to happen to him; he brought it all (down) on himself. Character is destiny.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Magnolia
"No, the real danger is in the next search process. We will have the same cabal of bidness types and athletic supporters who pushed Fleming out and herded Thames in. You can bet that they will be right in the thick of it again to try to get another president that they can control. Even if we finally manage to get rid of the current administration, we are a long way from "phoenix rising from the ashes.""

Darn it, Magnolia, did you have to go and mention THIS inconvenient fact?

Date: May 19, 2005

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Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
"Darn it, Magnolia, did you have to go and mention THIS inconvenient fact? "

Who will be IHL president after Virginia? She only has a one-year term, yes? If it is the optometrist, that won't help matters.

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Survivor, USM style
"I think the danger here is not that Thames will get two more years himself but that he sold the IHL on the "plan" and if that is the case, the board will be susceptible to the argument that his "legacy" needs to be carried on by the true believers. Paul and Burge aren't moving up. Moore and Grimes aren't competent external players. So, it's Lassen, Malone and Exline. Watch them closely to see what alliances develop."

Survivor,

Thank you for bringing up Exline, whom I forgot to mention.

As for people like Cecil Burge and Joe Paul, I do hope they will be asked, before they are invited to serve under the next president, to make a public repudiation of any lies they were required to tell under Shelby Thames.

Robert Campbell

Date: May 19, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
" Survivor, Thank you for bringing up Exline, whom I forgot to mention. "

Don't!

I see a Grimes/Exline alliance and a Lassen/Paul/Liberal arts alliance both setting up.

Malone's gonna go for Burge and CoST but currently has no one - think he's hoping to win the immunity challenge.

Heck, it's Thursday night and I need to go watch the real thing!

Date: May 19, 2005

There will be no alliance between Exline and Malone. They are often at odds.

Date: May 19, 2005

The next IHL president is McGee. Crofts has contract through December. Over 50 applications have been received by IHL thus far for permanent commissioner position. Crofts is anxious to go back to Florida with his wife after implementing new IHL governance model and helping to select his successor.

Date: May 19, 2005

Burge is a supporter of Thames. But, he is a stable player with good ideas. He can retire any time he wants to retire. He is not an enemy.

Paul is just putting in time and resists Thames' demands for accountability. He may not survive two more years anyway.

Exline thrives on fixing things and making a contribution. Whether or not she is around in two years will depend on issues and opportunities. She can always go back to full-time teaching and consulting. She is not an enemy.

Malone's role will diminish over time. When Assoc Provost on Coast is hired, he will be pulled off Coast.

Lassen can go either way. He plans to make alot of changes in the next two years. He can be friend or foe.

Grimes is getting stronger in Provost role. He will likely move on in two years.

Moore will retire in two years.

As for deans, Pierce is on his way out. Fos is okay. Gandy is okay as long as he doesn't get too greedy. Doty is a disaster. Pood isn't going anywhere.

Date: May 19, 2005

Just can't imagine where, when, and how that legendary, petty vindictiveness will begin to show itself!