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USM Sympathizer

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This question is inspired by something mentioned on another thread.  I wonder why other posters think that public funding for U.S. universities has declined so much and apparently so irreversibly in the last decade or so.  I realize the simple answer (money needed for other things), but why do you think universities have been the losers rather than other segments of the public budget, especially since American higher education is demonstrably the most successful part of education in the U.S.?  Why could the U.S. afford -- or why was the U.S. WILLING to afford -- to fund universities much more fully in the 60s and 70s than today?  I'd be interested in hearing any thoughtful responses to these questions (which means that JoJo should not enter the discussion).

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New Programs Galore

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"Why could the U.S. afford -- or why was the U.S. WILLING to afford -- to fund universities much more fully in the 60s and 70s than today?"

USM Sympathizer, I will venture a guess. Purely a guess. During that period I saw the federal government commit funds for lots of new programs. I will cite two. (1) Funds were provided to establish Criminal Justice programs (I'm not sure of the funding agency, but I believe it was the U.S. Department of Justice). Further, funds were provided to establish community mental health facilities and training programs (I believe that USPHS was the funding source). Universities were often the beneficiaries. There were others, but those two examples will suffice for the purpose of this response. As was the case with Criminal Justice and Mental Health, most of those new programs were very important and worthy of such support.  Many of the originally committed funds are no longer available from the feds, so universities or states that want to maintain those programs must pick up the slack). Does this make any sense at all?

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USM Sympathizer

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"USM Sympathizer, I will venture a guess. Purely a guess. During that period I saw the federal government commit funds for lots of new programs. I will cite two. (1) Funds were provided to establish Criminal Justice programs (I'm not sure of the funding agency, but I believe it was the U.S. Department of Justice). Further, funds were provided to establish community mental health facilities and training programs (I believe that USPHS was the funding source). Universities were often the beneficiaries. There were others, but those two examples will suffice for the purpose of this response. As was the case with Criminal Justice and Mental Health, most of those new programs were very important and worthy of such support.  Many of the originally committed funds are no longer available from the feds, so universities or states that want to maintain those programs must pick up the slack). Does this make any sense at all?"


Yes it does.  Thanks for a very thoughtful response.  I have my own theories to supplement this one, but I am interested in hearing other people's ideas, not my own.  Thanks again for responding.



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Reporter

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Don't forget the "cold war" required large sums put into science and technology.  Also in the 60's we had the race for the moon. 

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"Don't forget the "cold war" required large sums put into science and technology.  Also in the 60's we had the race for the moon. "

You are certainly right, Reporter. I was just citing federal programs designed to combat pressing social problems. Funds were also pumped into science and technology. I suppose it was the spirit of the times (i.e., the "Zeitgeist") in the 60's and 70's that made the difference that USM Sympathizer noted.

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"You are certainly right, Reporter. I was just citing federal programs designed to combat pressing social problems. Funds were also pumped into science and technology. I suppose it was the spirit of the times (i.e., the "Zeitgeist") in the 60's and 70's that made the difference that USM Sympathizer noted. "


I agree that the science & tech component was part of it. I received financial aid as an undergraduate in the late 60's which came from the National Defense Education Act, or something similarly titled. (ok, so I told my age.)

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USM Sympathizer and Reporter,


I would like to add one more thought to this discussion.


Back in the 60's and 70's, academic jobs were easy to come by (at least in my discipline). One could resign a job one day and be picked up by another good university almost immediately. Some of those schools were just looking for warm bodies to fill their available positions. The federal funds pumped into universities helped create many new faculty positions. Today's generation of new Ph.D.'s will probably never experience that job explosion.  Back then, lots of faculty positions were funded on "soft money." When those funds dried up, however, many academic jobs vanished and never returned.



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Bok's Seats

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Commercialization of education.

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Also in the 70's there was a glut of PhD's as boomers filled their ranks. In 1975 I entered a graduate program in history. One of my professors came back from the AHA meeting and reported their keynote speaker had said "Go home and tell your graduate students to forget it." There were too few jobs and too many of us.

There was a mini-enrollment boom about 1989 and onward. Chronicle predicted a big wave of retirements in the late 90's, so all of us who didn't get our degrees the first time said, "Gosh, I'm only (40, 45, whatever) I still have time to finish my degree and get a job." It was very intense for a while. I tried it, didn't work out for me.

As in many other things, the boomers are to blame. Maybe when we're in our dotage, you young'uns can have your world back.


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here is part of an article i received--someone i know said that public universities used to say they were "state-supported."  then it became "state-assisted."  now it's "state-located."


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America is rapidly privatizing its public colleges  and universities, and that process is raising questions our society desperately needs to grapple with. Who should aspire to a higher education? To what extent are education's benefits public and social in nature, and to what extent is higher  learning a private good? What are the core values of higher education and what are we willing to pay to preserve them?

The move toward privatization is the result of a "perfect  storm" of economic and political trends that are putting  insurmountable fiscal pressures on the states. When Republican  tax policy architect Grover Norquist said, "I simply  want to reduce government to the size where I can drag  it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub," he  articulated an increasingly popular view of government.  Currently, this view is driving the federal government to shift costs and risks formerly borne at the national  level to the states, and the states, in turn, to shift costs and risks to individuals. The idea of privatizing  a portion of Social Security and the continuing press for  reductions in tax bases and tax rates follow this line  of thought. And public colleges and universities are swirling  in the vortex of this ideological storm as institutions  scramble to find new ways to fund the educational enterprise  by diversifying revenue sources and addressing new constituents.

Public colleges and universities, which enroll 77 percent  of all students in higher education, drew more than half of their operating support from taxpayer sources in the  1980s; today money from state coffers provides about 30  percent of funding. At some of the nation's most prominent public universities, such as the University of Virginia  and the University of Colorado, state funding contributes less than 10 percent of university operating support. This  steady disinvestment in higher education by the states does not seem to reflect a clear public policy decision to reduce higher education opportunities. It indicates instead structural problems in state budgets and budgeting practices. Indeed, the criticism of higher education for "exorbitant" tuition increases demonstrates a continuing belief by legislators that access to higher education is more essential than  ever, both for individuals and for the state's economic future, and that somehow universities should find a way to maintain access despite the steady erosion of funding.

In response to criticism from state legislatures, and  from the U.S. Congress as well, public universities have been extraordinarily diligent and creative in diversifying  their revenue sources: today, no single revenue source dominates-as mentioned, state funds provide 30 percent, tuition supplies about 20 percent, and gifts, grants, and  contracts (mostly for research) constitute 50 percent or  more. In effect, state taxpayers have become minority shareholders in their public colleges and universities.



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I've heard DJG say that "state located" blah, blah so many times, my brain turns off when I hear it now. I think it's a smoke screen.



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