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Difference Between Administrator and Faculty
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This came from a post on a private listserv. I thought it relevant. I removed the names of the posters, and separated the posts with >>>>>>>>>>>


It is broken up into two posts because of its length.


 


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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADMINISTRATOR AND EDUCATOR


 


Now that summer is here, maybe we have more time to discuss. I assume


administrators like deans and presidents were once instructors. How


long does it take before an administrator realizes it is better to


administrate rather than educate?  Regarding the administrator, there


seems  to be emphasis on making money and retaining marginal students


and maybe lowering standards so that more students can enroll. What


do you think? What are differences you see between college


administrators and educators?


 


Editor's note: This raises questions that could lead to a useful


substantive discussion. Postings that refer to recent work on various


aspects of this topic are encouraged. 


 


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As a person who has been doing administration for the last three


years and a newly-minted (last week) assistant provost, I'll give a


personal view. I can't cite literature, however, though I'm sure


others can.


 


I think good teachers make good administrators. If the administrator


left teaching because he/she didn't like it, I could imagine


problems. Reluctance to leave (I still teach) the classroom ought to


be an indicator for a good, likely prospect for an administrator.


 


Administrators are involved all the time in the development of talent


in people [OK one cite: Bloom wrote an interesting book called


"Developing Talent in Young People"]. So, I simply think of what I do


as another, specialized, version of being an educator. That's what


makes it interesting and, for me, worth trading time in the classroom


for endless hours solving institutional problems with others across


campus. It's complexity with people.


 


I like building new programs and making life a bit easier for faculty


and students (add dissent here about how well I do this, of course).


I find the ethical and problem-solving issues complex and


challenging--more so than in the classroom or in my research.


 


I know virtually all universities, especially the publics, face


trying times financially. I can't address the problem of marginal


students. I'm blessed to be at a university where the students are


very well prepared for college--astonishingly accomplished in many


cases. But, depending on where you are located in the country, you


may either be struggling for enrollments or scrambling to cover them.


It's a very dynamic external environment!  I suppose one could


paraphrase the line about being a good Congressman.  To be a good


educator, you first have to have a university to educate in. Some


schools hang by slender threads.


 


One thing I've learned as an administrator is simply how difficult


keeping things up and going can be. Educators love to disagree, they


bring different insights and values to every problem.  There is no


obvious path through most issues other than discussion and dialog.


When the voices have had a say, and the data are in, and you have a


sense of the dimensions of your choices, you have to reach a


conclusion. It's great to reach a genuine consensus, but sometimes


it's necessary for an administrator to decide.


 


My particular administrative world includes assessment and


accreditation, as well as general education and a new Honors


Institute. Each gives me aggravation, satisfaction, and just plain


fascinating insights into my university community and the larger


world.  There are times when the nitty-gritty details or where the


snail's pace of change just about kill me. At those times, all I can


think about is finding more time for teaching students.  But when you


see students and faculty talking about assessment and suggesting ways


to get more information or to share it; or, when you can work with


faculty to improve the quality of a classroom, it's good.  I even get


the huge pleasure of linking honors students to potential mentors.


The teacher talk that ensues can light up my whole day.


 


I'll admit one's perspective changes upon going into administration.


"Where you stand depends on where you sit."  But, I'm still an


educator and I still enjoy my work.


 


Part 2 to be posted next.



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NeitherOfTheBelow

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I set the font for size 12 Times New Roman. I don't know why it came out so big. Here is part 2.


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Clearly, the text refers to the context of academic or educational


institutions in general and as specific universe of focus. This


subject is far too broad


and diverse to attempt in depth reply or answer. However, for the purpose of


this list and query, some relevant points can be set forth, as part of any


discussion.


 


In an educational setting, deans and administrators may or may not have been


teaching faculty. There is no hard and fast rule nor clear cut requirement


that such be the case. This is based on years of observations and some


experiences. Administrators at educational institutions may come from


outside the


academic community and often do in the mix. Business and Govt. both


provide sources


for  administrators who may have not come from the ranks of faculty.


 


The idea that administrating is better than teaching however, cannot be said


to hold water. Different objectives and focuses might well be the best that


can be said for these pursuits. Education is to impart knowledge and pass along


to another group, individual, generation the acquired learning and


information, the cultural background and sense of purpose derived


from having learning as


one accomplishment of the life experience.


 


Administering is much more centrally focus upon the organization and


resources needed for a general purpose of an organization or group at


points in time


and over periods of time for human activity to be successful and meaningful;


within, the specific universe of academia, this focus is the education


institution and its functioning, operation and abilities to


contribute to the goals of


education and teaching. More specific, the administrators is less concerned


with delivering his/her product and services in the classroom, than


facilitating such delivery by teaching personnel, even though the


administrator must be


mindful, the classroom is one of the primary methods or places by which such


product and service is set forth. Much like showroom, where cars may be


purchased, or stores where merchandise may be ordered, the classroom is the


'showcase', every bit as much as the educational institution itself,


for those who wish


to participate and take part in those offerings made available.


 


So said, the Administrator, beyond educational environments is most often


less concerned with what is learned or 'taught' than with his/her organizations


success or lack of it in delivery of its product and service, by whatever


measures and methods these can be and are evaluated and concluded. In


the computer


age, this involves more uses for the computer than existed during previous


period, when textbook, lectures and note-taking were more primary in the


interchange between faculty and students, between institutions and


consuming publics


of offerings.


 


Administrators, as much as faculty are concerned for the well being and


futures of their institutions. Perhaps this requires a focus upon financial


resources, since no institution will long survive let alone meet is goals and


purposes without means. Some succeed better than others. In my


limited experience,


fund raising devolves upon University and college Presidents most often, or


their immediate staffs  and persons hired for that specific purpose. As time


consuming as this need to raise adequate finances, it still is to


serve the overall


purpose of placing before those wishing to receive, educations, purposes and


programs worthy of the effort. Faculty, however, are not entirely excluded


from this activity in so much as their publications generate incomes from sales


of information and knowledge gained by their own contributions and learning.


 


The purpose which is served by faculty v. Administrators within the


institutional setting, can thus be considered a more determining factor in


realizing differences; more so than  overlapping and shared processes and


interests might.


 


As for Administrators beyond the academia, would suggest it is important to


look at the purpose of the institutions served, be they business or govt. From


this, differences with faculties and persons involved in the actual 'teaching'


could be more readily noticed and


analyzed. The literature on Administration, both in Business and Public


Administration is very vast and extensive.


 


Just some off the top thoughts.


 


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As an administrator at Temple University, I must express my annoyance at this


limited perception of administration.  Although we keep a watchful eye on the


the budget, this is to allow the institution to stay open and permit teaching


professionals to do their job.


 


Instead of maintaining an adversarial relationship with your administrators,


perhaps the time has come for a real dialogue in order to better foster a


better educational


experience for the students. By being  part of the same team, an increased


awareness of the complexity of administration and education will develop.


 


 


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The philosophy that we are all on the same team is extremely archaic. If we are all on the same team, then pay us the same. Administrators constantly say they are just trying to keep the school running, which is also just as blasé. The school has always run before without the changes. I bet the school would still run without the changes. I am aware that states are cutting funding, so some changes have to be made though. But it appears to me we are getting to the point where this state funding is becoming a blanket excuse for every change that the faculty might disagree with.


 


Administrators do not spend as much time with students once they make the switch to administration. They used to deal with students constantly, but when the move to the administration is made, that student contact extremely diminishes. Of course they keep talking about students and their importance to the school all the time though.


 


Personally, I think it should be required that all administrators have to go back to teaching at least one class a semester to help them not forget where they came from. And make it an undergraduate class at that. I think some schools already require this, but I am not sure. And if more and more schools are going to keep increasing their army of adjuncts and online classes taught by adjuncts, then the salary difference between administrator and educator should narrow considerably.


 


It may be that the changes help the faculty and administrator get raises. I do see a lot of that going around. I fail to see how that keeps the school running. Regardless of salary, instructors can always be replaced. So can the administrator for that matter. And I will not buy the argument that a lower salary means we will get less influential or qualified instructors. In fact, it looks like the full time faculty are on the way to being replaced by online classes and adjuncts. No telling how much money that saves a school.


 


 


BOOKS:


Although the following book deals with K-12 schools, there is one chapter in it called “The Cultural Chasm Between Administrator and Teacher Cultures” that is relative here. The title of the book is “The Politics of Life in Schools Power, Conflict, and Cooperation.”


 


There is another book that moderately addresses the “struggling with the common and unglamorous difficulties of shrinking support from state legislatures for public education, the restructuring of higher education to replace professors with an army of adjuncts, the clamor to develop online classes delivered by adjuncts, and yes, the siege by commerce against the university to turn it into a consumer service as training or entertainment.” Here is a review on the book: http://edrev.asu.edu/reviews/rev269.htm. There is also a works cited page on that webpage, which deals with administrators and educators.


 


 


 



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Might I ask why the subject line was changed? It should read "Difference Between Administrator and Educator." This post was not about the faculty at all. Not all educators are faculty and not all faculty are educators.



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