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Date: Apr 25, 2005

Upcoming mayor's race

Date: Apr 25, 2005

If Shelby's for it, I'm against it.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Word on the Street Man
"The word on the street for USM faculty voting in the upcoming election:Dupree,74%;Senne,10%;Davis,9%;Rowell7%.You can take it to the bank.The profs are not buying any of the Republican propaganda. No Quarter! "

I heard faculty were leaning toward Senne.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

"Republican" and "Democrat" are practically meaningless in terms of a municipal election. The issues are unique to the city.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Angeline
"If Shelby's for it, I'm against it."

Unless it involves boycotting a restaurant that I like. Then I refuse to boycott because it might adversely affect our students' economic status.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
""Republican" and "Democrat" are practically meaningless in terms of a municipal election. The issues are unique to the city."

Right you are, LVN. Party affiliation is essentially meaningless in local & municipal elections. The main reason for declaring party affiliation is to play for the votes of people who merely tick off a party line. (I've often thought of running in a municipal election in my city as a Communist or Anarchist just to see what happens, since I don't stand a chance as I'm not a Baptist & when you get to the brass tacks, in small Mississippi towns, church affiliation is more important in municipal elections.)

That said, I'll ask the age-old question, "How does one tell if a politician is lying?"

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
""Republican" and "Democrat" are practically meaningless in terms of a municipal election. The issues are unique to the city."

One thing is for sure - It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote for a democratic coroner.

(you gotta love Mississippi elections!)

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Politically Cynical or Cynically Political
" ...That said, I'll ask the age-old question, "How does one tell if a politician is lying?""

Easy, you look to see if his lips are moving.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

I would vote for Hitler before I vote for Fairly, I mean Dupree.

I have no idea why anyone would vote for Dupree, I mean Fairly again, even if you did before. The city government in H'burg has never been more corrupt, the police department is in shambles. The city streets are as bad as I can remember. The fire department is a joke. Dupree has no clue how to manage the day to day operations of city government.

If you want Hattiesburg to turn in to Jackson-South please continue to vote for Dupree. If you want better, for someone else, anyone else.

I plan to vote for Senne in the first, and then whoever is running against Dupree in the second.

If the faculty is supporting Dupree at 75%, then there is no denying that you are a bunch of party line, liberal nutjobs.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

Well, I've wavered all over the place. Have only actually lived in the city about a year, but I feel myself leaning more towards Senne, who does have a proven track record of management and won't be in anybody's pocket. And does seem to be avoiding the ugly ads, which more and more is an issue to me.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Joker
"Easy, you look to see if his lips are moving. "

Or hers...

Date: Apr 27, 2005

I think some of you might be quite surprised to find that a lot of the faculty normally considered to "vote democratic" are actually supporting Betsy Rowell. If you can get past the "Republican label" and do a little homework you will find that she understands the issues at USM.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
" If you want Hattiesburg to turn in to Jackson-South please continue to vote for......."

Money and social status seems to mean a lot to you. Or maybe I have misinterpreted what you are saying here.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
If the faculty is supporting Dupree at 75%, then there is no denying that you are a bunch of party line, liberal nutjobs."

What does that make you: a stereotypical Mississippi racist? Stop the gneralizations and blanket condemnations. Meet a faculty employee some day.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Angeline
"What does that make you: a stereotypical Mississippi racist? Stop the gneralizations and blanket condemnations. Meet a faculty employee some day."

If that is what you choose to believe go right ahead. But, I would like for you to name one positive thing that the Dupree administration has done since being in office. There is no reason for 75% of any group to support Dupree unless you are voting straight party line.

Throw in racism if you want. I could care less about Dupree's race, I look at another R-word and that is results. In that area Dupree has weighted, measured and found wanting.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Just Plain Jane
"Money and social status seems to mean a lot to you. Or maybe I have misinterpreted what you are saying here. "

Yet again one of you have misintrepted (not supriseing after the witch hunt of Toy McLaughlin), or maybe you just don't want to see what I am saying.

Jackson has basically become an economiclly stagnet, regressive, crime riddled, corrupt city. We are seeing H'burg trend in that direction under the leadership of Fairly/Dupree.

You think that my main concerns are money and social status. How wrong could you be. My main concerns are integrity and progressiveness. The Dupree admininstration has shown neither.

I am not telling any of you guys who to vote for. But, I doubt anyone here can give an example of anything positive that has happened for the city that Dupree has had a hand in since he became mayor.

Our infrastructure is in disrepair. Our police department is a sham, they no long fill out police reports unless someone witnessed a crime. Meaning that if you call and report someone broke into your car, they come out and talk with you. But, no police report is filled in attempt to keep crime stats low. Our fire deparment is in a crisis state. Parks and rec are in disrepair. City govenrment as a whole is filled with corruption.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

Mr. Kudzu King, sir,

You said earlier, "If the faculty is supporting Dupree at 75%, then there is no denying that you are a bunch of party line, liberal nutjobs."

Er, if I could point out some logical difficulties, that's a big if/then jump. Where is there any evidence for any percentages for mayoral support drawn on faculty lines? Has there been a poll? Why would faculty count, when we're down to perhaps 500 in-town votes, if that? It sounds as though you've assumed the "If." And you can't make an unproven statement the basis for an argument.

(Your "then" would need further proof as well, but I'm not going to go there.)

Anyway, I am happy to see so much concern for local elections, and I value your (more logical) input in later post(s). I rather doubt there's any block of votes for any candidate right now. In fact, I imagine some people will be weighing issues up until they get their ballot.

I wish you ongoing success with your local business.

Jameela

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Word on the Street Man
"The word on the street for USM faculty voting in the upcoming election:Dupree,74%;Senne,10%;Davis,9%;Rowell7%.You can take it to the bank.The profs are not buying any of the Republican propaganda. No Quarter! "

Jamella

One of your fellow board members provided this info. I assume that if information is posted here, it must be 100% factual and without reproach. If you are mincing 74% vs. 75%, I would think you are nit-picking.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Jameela Lares
"Mr. Kudzu King, sir,
You said earlier, "If the faculty is supporting Dupree at 75%, then there is no denying that you are a bunch of party line, liberal nutjobs."
Er, if I could point out some logical difficulties, that's a big if/then jump. Where is there any evidence for any percentages for mayoral support drawn on faculty lines? Has there been a poll? Why would faculty count, when we're down to perhaps 500 in-town votes, if that? It sounds as though you've assumed the "If." And you can't make an unproven statement the basis for an argument.
(Your "then" would need further proof as well, but I'm not going to go there.)
Anyway, I am happy to see so much concern for local elections, and I value your (more logical) input in later post(s). I rather doubt there's any block of votes for any candidate right now. In fact, I imagine some people will be weighing issues up until they get their ballot.
I wish you ongoing success with your local business.
Jameela "

I think the THEN is pretty clear. This love affair some of you have with Philosophy 101 is absurd. KK's statements are clear to anyone who opens his or her eyes -- Hattiesburg is falling apart. However, many here would support Dupree to spite Thames. In fact, many here would oppose Thames in every way, unless it means boycotting a restaurant with student workers because their livelihood may be threatened. That kind of venom followed up by a mealy-mouthed effort is why USM profs have been labeled liberal nut jobs.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

I vote republican almost always. I will vote for Dupree in the primary and the regular election for one reason. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dupree and the East end of Hattiesburg fought SFT on the bond issue and they do not support SFT. The others have shown they support SFT or have not revealed their druthers. I pay taxes in the city and there have been no problems where I live, things are not different than under the previous mayor. Dupree has not made my life better or worse, but SFT has made it miserable. The only way I would vote for any other candidate is if one of them made getting rid of SFT their number one priority.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

Question: Unless something has changed, can't registered Democrats ONLY vote Democrat in the primary elections?

Date: Apr 27, 2005

Mr. KK,

Thanks for the clarification. I hadn't seen the percentage.

After I posted, it occurred to me that you may have posted in anger against someone else's suggestion that you were racist, which might have riled me as well. It would be helpful to other member of this message board, actually, if you could supply further information on what you think is wrong with the current city government.

Cheers,

Jameela

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
" Yet again one of you have misintrepted (not supriseing after the witch hunt of Toy McLaughlin), or maybe you just don't want to see what I am saying."

Kudzu King,

Perhaps surprisingly to you, like many on this board, I am a conservative republican. There is no "groupthink" among the faculty that supports a 75% bias toward the incumbant in the upcoming mayoral election so the premise for this entire argument is unfounded. That aside, I am simply flabbergasted that you would refer to a witch hunt against Toy McLaughlin when the following are true:

In a recent Pro-Thames community meeting, organizers distributed out of context postings on this website and deliberately tried to agitate attendees against a "violent" faculty.

Toy McLaughlin responded to a very reasonable post by Harvard Eagle on ET with a verbal attack against the faculty, completely ignoring the evidence of widespread opposition to President Thames and inflated enrollment numbers.

Toy McLaughlin's rifle posts were certainly meant in jest but that is not the point. We live in a society that has become hypersensitive to threats. Unfortunately, that heightened level of sensitivity has become necessary in an increasingly violent world. It is against the law to "joke" about guns at an airport security checkpoint. In public schools, students would be expelled for such "jokes", teachers would be removed from their classrooms and likely fired. Can you imagine the self-righteous outrage this community would exhibit if a university professor said such a thing?

Toy McLaughlin is a public person in his role as President of the Foundation, and as such we should expect a higher level of discretion from him. Like President Thames, he has become an embarassment.

We are allowing Shelby and his supporters to frame this battle. It is not a battle between faculty and the community. Eliminate the inflammatory rhetoric and it is as simple as removing an incompetent manager and his incompetent associates.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Clio
"
Question: Unless something has changed, can't registered Democrats ONLY vote Democrat in the primary elections? "

That is incorrect. Regardless of your registration. You can declare at the poll and vote in which ever primary you wish. Granted most don't know this, but it is allowed under MS State Law.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Eliminate the inflammatory rhetoric and it is as simple as removing an incompetent manager and his incompetent associates."

And a few incompetent faculty members.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
" That is incorrect. Regardless of your registration. You can declare at the poll and vote in which ever primary you wish. Granted most don't know this, but it is allowed under MS State Law."

Every voter should know because you do not "register" as a member of any party in MS. You can only vote in one party's primary though, as you stated.

BTW: I was not calling you racist earlier, just pointing the absurdity of your statement characterizing all faculty - one generalization doesn't work any better than the other.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
" That is incorrect. Regardless of your registration. You can declare at the poll and vote in which ever primary you wish. Granted most don't know this, but it is allowed under MS State Law."

KK is right. I had to vote absentee ballot, and at the moment I'm registered as a Democrat but wanted to cast a ballot for a Republican. They gave me a Republican ballot with no argument whatever.

(Note: I'm a bit of a political agnostic and move my registration from time to time. I imagine there are not a few others on faculty who don't fit into any neat slots.)

JL

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
" And a few incompetent faculty members."

And just as management decisions in corporations, professional firms, and hospitals need to be made by administrators expert in the particular industries so do decisions at a university need to be made by competent academic administrators who understand how to work with faculty. It starts at the top and Shelby has failed. Ultimately, he is the center of all dissension and turmoil and the university you claim to care for is suffering because of it.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Silent Spring Eagle
"And just as management decisions in corporations, professional firms, and hospitals need to be made by administrators expert in the particular industries so do decisions at a university need to be made by competent academic administrators who understand how to work with faculty. It starts at the top and Shelby has failed. Ultimately, he is the center of all dissension and turmoil and the university you claim to care for is suffering because of it."

I tend to agree with the point that Thames time should come to an end. But, that's not really this topic of this thread.

The topic of this thread is that Dupree/Fairly has been as bad or worse for the city, than Thames has been for the University.

Date: Apr 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Kudzu King
If you want Hattiesburg to turn in to Jackson-South please continue to . . . ."

Kudzu King,

Kindly specify the characteristics of "Jackson-South" which displeases you. I know many responsible citizens who grew up on the streets of South Jackson.