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Date: Mar 26, 2005

Doty a finalist elsewhere....

Date: Mar 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: anupe
"A All I know is that it is a higher tier school."

Well, THAT goes without saying!

Date: Mar 26, 2005

I'm sure two of his best letters of reference were signed "Shelby Freakin Thames" and "Daryl Jaybird Grimes"

Date: Mar 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: What's your point?
" Well, THAT goes without saying!"

I think Ole Miss, State, or even William Carey might hire him away. He's really gotten in the way of destroying USM faster. And yes, I consider WC a higher quality institution, even has a superior MBA!

Date: Mar 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Conspiracy in Practice
"And yes, I consider WC a higher quality institution, even has a superior MBA!"

And their nursing program is nothing to sneeze at.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

Good for him! Such an event should be the least surprising thing to happen at USM this year.

I for one wish him well.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Good Luck HD
"Good for him! Such an event should be the least surprising thing to happen at USM this year. I for one wish him well."

It would have to be considered a blow for the university to lose a Dean who has only been on the job for less than three years with much of the work in COB unfinished . . . . would it be possible for the administration to spin this in any way that could possibly be viewed as positive for the university and still be believable?

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: stephen judd
"It would have to be considered a blow for the university to lose a Dean who has only been on the job for less than three years with much of the work in COB unfinished . . . . would it be possible for the administration to spin this in any way that could possibly be viewed as positive for the university and still be believable?"

I'm not sure what work there is to finish in the COB. In my first-hand experience, the COB has been deteriorating for the last three years. It seemed to be limping along but maintaining stability before SFT. Doty's "success" has been to put the brakes on some of SFT's schemes and avoid "totalling" the B-school. The COB isn't going anywhere special, it's a rambling wreck. This is the positive, it is somehow still rolling along slowly. If it's not SACS, then AACSB may bring it to halt and put it out of its misery. If Doty leaves, this will be interesting to see who the replacement is and how they find him/her. All I can say to that person is good luck, you must be crazy! This is what I wanted to say to all the Dean's candidates when they interviewed, "so why would you want to come here?"

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: stephen judd
" would it be possible for the administration to spin this in any way that could possibly be viewed as positive for the university and still be believable?"

Yes and no. Yes, it is possible for them to spin anything, and no, no one with a brain would find it believable.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

I hate to be the lone voice, but I am anxious for his departure.. His main contribution has been to get salaries up and teaching loads down in CoB. I don't see that as good for the rest of us. He sees his college as an island and is not concerned with what happens around the rest of the campus.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

. . .you know, than the one you don't. Anxious, are people who dislike Doty worried about what they may get in his place?

Date: Mar 27, 2005

I am sure those within want him to stay. They have a good deal. I'd rather have someone who sees CoB as part of the university rather than an island with special deals. I heard lots of people on search committee liked female candidate but Hudson liked Doty. That tells me there are other options out there.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

Dean of the Coggin College of Business

We have scheduled telephone interviews with the following people in the Coggin College of Business Intuition Room:
Dr. Adel El-Ansary Tuesday, 3/15 2:00
Dr. John McAllister Wednesday, 3/16 9:00
Dr. Harold Doty Wednesday, 3/16 11:00
Dr. Bruce Bublitz Wednesday, 3/16 12:00

http://www.unf.edu/acadaffairs/whatisnew.html

Date: Mar 27, 2005

And look! The Provost at UNF has an undergraduate advisory council! Maybe Grimes should establish one so he can meet undergraduates for the FIRST time.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

You mean searches at other universities aren't clandestine affairs like here at Camp Shelby?

quote:
Originally posted by: Google and You Shall Receive
"Dean of the Coggin College of Business
We have scheduled telephone interviews with the following people in the Coggin College of Business Intuition Room:Dr. Adel El-Ansary Tuesday, 3/15 2:00 Dr. John McAllister Wednesday, 3/16 9:00Dr. Harold Doty Wednesday, 3/16 11:00Dr. Bruce Bublitz Wednesday, 3/16 12:00
http://www.unf.edu/acadaffairs/whatisnew.html

"

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Google and You Shall Receive
"Dean of the Coggin College of Business We have scheduled telephone interviews with the following people"

Google and you shall receive,

Thank you. But is there nothing sacred anymore?

Date: Mar 27, 2005

Doty ain't doin' anything we ain't. What reputable scholar would want to stay at USM?

Date: Mar 27, 2005

1. Inside candidate and endowed chair at UNF
2. Prof. of Accounting at Kennesaw State and dept chair.
3. Dean at USM
4. Dean at UTSA

Looks like Doty has a good shot.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: 007
"What reputable scholar would want to stay at USM?"

If every faculty member who is on the market this year finds something, it will be impossible to cover the classes scheduled for fall in many departments.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

Update: #4 is former dean at UTSA and has returned to his "first love".

Looks like HD is the only current dean on the interview list.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

It looks like UNF has at least 27 hours in their majors. Doty will have his work cut out for him to cut those down to 9 hours.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

Florida has the Sunshine Laws (forgive me if I don't have the correct name for this) meaning that all searches involve open records. The names and credentials of the candidates for all positions are open and available for anyone to look at. A good friend has been at UNF for quite some time and finds it a great place to be a faculty member. The union handles collective bargaining for the faculty so that the underhanded "I like you but not you raises" or lack thereof as expreienced here could not take place. There would be no $17,000 raises to one person and no one else. The Deans couldn't "normalize the data" either. Most view this as a much fairer way of distributing raise money, etc. In addition, all faculty know exactly what is expected of them in order to be promoted and tenured. The rules/expectations do not constantly change as they do here at USM.

Date: Mar 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Florida Sunshine
"Florida has the Sunshine Laws (forgive me if I don't have the correct name for this) meaning that all searches involve open records. The names and credentials of the candidates for all positions are open and available for anyone to look at. A good friend has been at UNF for quite some time and finds it a great place to be a faculty member. The union handles collective bargaining for the faculty so that the underhanded "I like you but not you raises" or lack thereof as expreienced here could not take place. There would be no $17,000 raises to one person and no one else. The Deans couldn't "normalize the data" either. Most view this as a much fairer way of distributing raise money, etc. In addition, all faculty know exactly what is expected of them in order to be promoted and tenured. The rules/expectations do not constantly change as they do here at USM."

Underachievers always like the social approach to salary distribution. Only rabid dogs require constantly larger raises to show that what is between their legs is larger - (in metaphor for Dana)

Date: Mar 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Google and You Shall Receive
"We have scheduled telephone interviews with the following people in the Coggin College of Business Intuition Room:

http://www.unf.edu/acadaffairs/whatisnew.html"

College of Business Intuition Room?

Well, it is in California.

Date: Mar 28, 2005

Oops -- Florida, not California! They use intuition in Florida, too?

Date: Mar 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Michael Kimber
"Oops -- Florida, not California! They use intuition in Florida, too?"

Perhaps that's "in tuition"? (As in, "I'd buy a new pickup truck, but my life savings are currently in tuition.")