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Date: Mar 23, 2005

Ken Malone cookin' again?

Date: Mar 24, 2005

A non-dissertation PhD?

Does anyone have details on this?

RC

Date: Mar 24, 2005

No. No. No. A person doing a doctorate without a dissertaion receives an M.D. or a Ed.D.

Date: Mar 24, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Zoro
"No. No. No. A person doing a doctorate without a dissertaion receives an M.D. or a Ed.D."

This is generally, but not always true. Some of the upper eschelon U.S. medical schools who offer a "research track" do require a paper equivalent to a dissertation, as do some European medical colleges. In a concession to tradition, they don't call the product a dissertation, but it's the same research and defense process, and same end product.

There's also the Psy.D., or Doctor of Psychology degree, which may or may not require a dissertation, depending on the institution.

I'm ignorant of the Malone thing, but perhaps he's envisioning some sort of new, "Doctor of Economic Development" degree, sans dissertation. Then USM could claim yet another first.

Date: Mar 24, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: M.D.,Ph.D.
" This is generally, but not always true. Some of the upper eschelon U.S. medical schools who offer a "research track" do require a paper equivalent to a dissertation, as do some European medical colleges. In a concession to tradition, they don't call the product a dissertation, but it's the same research and defense process, and same end product. There's also the Psy.D., or Doctor of Psychology degree, which may or may not require a dissertation, depending on the institution. I'm ignorant of the Malone thing, but perhaps he's envisioning some sort of new, "Doctor of Economic Development" degree, sans dissertation. Then USM could claim yet another first."

I was just kidding, as evidenced by the at the end of my post.

Had I been serious, I would have suggested that M.D. stands for "Minus Disertation." (Just kidding again, of course).

Date: Mar 24, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Zoro
" I was just kidding, as evidenced by the at the end of my post. Had I been serious, I would have suggested that M.D. stands for "Minus Disertation." (Just kidding again, of course)."

I understand, no offense taken, was just offering a clarification. Most of my profs in the first two years of medical school were Ph.D.'s or M.D., Ph.D.s, with M.D.s taking over instruction during the clinical years. To annoy the M.D.s, some of the Ph.D. profs referred to themselves as "real doctors," which was a reference to the non-dissertation program completed by most physicians.

I was dead serious about Malone and the non-diss Doctor of Economic Development degree. What would have to be done to establish such a program? Wouldn't USM have to design a program and submit it to the IHL for approval? What about accrediting agencies, even if the IHL were to approve such a program? Could such a program achieve legitimacy and accreditation?

Date: Mar 24, 2005

This is what I have been hearing myself. Someone once told me also that when KM first got to USM he had some really goofy ideas about what sorts of "projects" could constitute a traditional PhD dissertation. I wouldn't dismiss this sort of plan since it is reportedly coming from him.

Date: Mar 24, 2005

I don't know about USM but every Ed.D. program I've found has a dissertation requirement attached. The Ed.D. is a practitioner's degree not a research degree, it's just a different focus. The only difference in the Ed.D. program and Ph.D. program at my institution is that the Ph.D. program requires a minor (18 hrs).

Date: Mar 24, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: M.D.,Ph.D.
" I understand, no offense taken, was just offering a clarification. Most of my profs in the first two years of medical school were Ph.D.'s or M.D., Ph.D.s, with M.D.s taking over instruction during the clinical years. To annoy the M.D.s, some of the Ph.D. profs referred to themselves as "real doctors," which was a reference to the non-dissertation program completed by most physicians. I was dead serious about Malone and the non-diss Doctor of Economic Development degree. What would have to be done to establish such a program? Wouldn't USM have to design a program and submit it to the IHL for approval? What about accrediting agencies, even if the IHL were to approve such a program? Could such a program achieve legitimacy and accreditation? "

It would have to go through the Curriculum Committee of the college and then Graduate Council.

(Unless they want to play the SACS probation game again.)

Date: Mar 24, 2005

A quote from Jim Hightower, former Texas Agriculture Commissioner (who was speaking of President Bush I at the time) may be applicable to Malone:

“When ignorance goes above $40 a barrel, I want drilling rights on that man’s head.”

A quote from my mechanic might also be applicable:

"If that boy's brain was lard, he'd have a hard time greasing a skillet."

And an unrelated question: Are Mississippi State alumni properly referred to as Agro-Americans?