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Rectus Abominus

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From Yesterday's HA:

Eustachy putting his stamp on team


Tough-nosed. Old school. Team player.

Those are some of the descriptions of players Larry Eustachy is seeking for the University of Southern Mississippi’s basketball team.
Eustachy has already made it known the players have to buy into his way of doing things.

It’s not easy, and not every player will make it in Eustachy's system. That point was clearly illustrated by the team's loss of Jasper Johnson, the Golden Eagles' leading scorer and rebounder who left the team last week.

But his current and former players say Eustachy's toughness makes them better players.

“He’s tough to play for, but if you play the game the right way, he’s going to teach you the right way,” junior guard Mike Ford said. “He’ll help you.”



Now, my question is, "Why can't he adapt to the players he has on the team?" Why can he not play the hand he's dealt rather than running off good players who are also good people? That's not a sign of a good coach; it's a sign of somebody who really doesn't know how to deal with people. If he only recruits players who think the way he wants, then he may be successful--I'm not too sure he'll ever get into the NCAA Tournament, even in the new and extremely pitiful C-USA.

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Originally posted by: Rectus Abominus
"From Yesterday's HA:

Eustachy has already made it known the players have to buy into his way of doing things."



Now, my question is, "Why can't he adapt to the players he has on the team?" Why can he not play the hand he's dealt rather than running off good players who are also good people? That's not a sign of a good coach; it's a sign of somebody who really doesn't know how to deal with people. "



If this is true, Eustachy sounds like SFT's kind of guy. Another jerk. Running off good players. No idea how to deal with people.

Just what USM needs!

NO QUARTER!!!
(No sports pun intended)


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Jerk or Disciplinarian?

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The world of sport is different than the world of academia. Coach Eustachy doesn't have to adjust to players the players need adjust to him.  All programs adjust to new management.  In the real world--yes, I used the term "real world" because for some reason those in the education field wear blinders and truly believe everything revolves around them; as a result believe the least little thing that goes wrong is devastaing to the reputaion of their university/college. Just ask how many citizens actual care "what's going on in the 'hood"--and when a new management team, owner, etc. takes over, the employees adjust and not the other way around. The argument that "it works both ways" doesn't apply. Well, I guess it does. Afterall, if the player plays hard and is dedicated then the coach will play him.


Coach Eustachy uses something called discipline and in addition to this he instills self-respect, self-control, and leadership to these students. Did I mention that he is concerned about the education of his players? He didn't allow one to come back because the player (probably typical, arrogant, dumb jock) would not attend class. Do you remember his comments about playing a scheduled tournament in Biloxi during finals and emphasizing grades are more important? [paraphrasing] "Our score might be low but our grade point average will be a little higher." Do you actual expect him to backdown from a player because the player feels he is not being played enough or if he is being played too much?  Did Joe Torre adjust to his players? The Yankees won how many pennants and World Series under his management? Did Coach Holtz adjust to his new Carolina team after leaving Notre Dame?  The sport world is not about warm hugs and butterfly kisses. It's about competition. You know, the thing that's needed to succeed in the Real World.


...please allow me to grab my fire extinguisher before you guys break out your flame throwers.



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Originally posted by: Jerk or Disciplinarian?
"The world of sport is different than the world of academia. Coach Eustachy doesn't have to adjust to players the players need adjust to him.  All programs adjust to new management.  In the real world--yes, I used the term "real world" because for some reason those in the education field wear blinders and truly believe everything revolves around them; as a result believe the least little thing that goes wrong is devastaing to the reputaion of their university/college. Just ask how many citizens actual care "what's going on in the 'hood"--and when a new management team, owner, etc. takes over, the employees adjust and not the other way around. The argument that "it works both ways" doesn't apply. Well, I guess it does. Afterall, if the player plays hard and is dedicated then the coach will play him. Coach Eustachy uses something called discipline and in addition to this he instills self-respect, self-control, and leadership to these students. Did I mention that he is concerned about the education of his players? He didn't allow one to come back because the player (probably typical, arrogant, dumb jock) would not attend class. Do you remember his comments about playing a scheduled tournament in Biloxi during finals and emphasizing grades are more important? [paraphrasing] "Our score might be low but our grade point average will be a little higher." Do you actual expect him to backdown from a player because the player feels he is not being played enough or if he is being played too much?  Did Joe Torre adjust to his players? The Yankees won how many pennants and World Series under his management? Did Coach Holtz adjust to his new Carolina team after leaving Notre Dame?  The sport world is not about warm hugs and butterfly kisses. It's about competition. You know, the thing that's needed to succeed in the Real World. ...please allow me to grab my fire extinguisher before you guys break out your flame throwers."

First of all, Lou Holtz didn't kick off 40% of his scholarship athletes when he got there.  If your coaching style is good/solid, you can win with what you inherit if you work hard at it.  Steve Spurrier began winning at UF in 1990, when he took over, even though the program was probation-ravaged.  He won with what was there.  Rick Pitino took over a probation-ravaged team at Kentucky and molded them into a winning outfit.  In fact, alot of people in Kentucky look back more fondly at the early 1990s teams of Pitinos --- the ones that didn't have any McD's All-Americans yet still went deep into the post season --- than they do at the ones loaded with PrepStar and Rivals.com hotshots that won him national championships (not to mention that rag-tag bunch at Providence he took to a Final 4).


The problem with Eustachy is that he doesn't have the kind of coaching ability these guys above have in their little fingers in his entire body.  That's why he's getting rid of every player he inherited in favor of sketchy character guys like the McD's AA guy and others.  This talk of attending class and other academic stuff is window dressing.  Only Nitchampburg fools like you fall for it.


Here's the real deal:  you have the coach you deserve.  I'll just sit back and enjoy the 50+ point drubbings that come today and that NCAA probation in store for tomorrow.  It should be fun to watch as it develops.



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sports is like the real world

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"It's about competition. You know, the thing that's needed to succeed in the Real World."


You know, I fatigue of coaches perpetually parrotting the "sports are like the real world" bull****. Sports is like sports. A diversion. A fantasy.

Anybody with eyes to see knows for a stone fact that what is needed to succeed in the "Real World" is plenty of personal connections, the ability to lie through one's teeth, cheat & circumvent rules, a total lack of conscience & loads of hype.

If sports were really about competition, the athletic directors wouldn't be so all fired hot to schedule the weakest possible opponents. Sports is about money & nothing else.

<SARCASM>
Come to think of it, sports are exactly like the real world.
>/SARCASM

In the real world, manual laborers with low IQs & no education typically don't earn $1 million plus a year. In the real world, kids who have to take the ACT multiple times to score an 18 don't get full college scholarships.



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Jerk or Disciplinarian

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The players understand his methods and that's all that counts...


http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050128/SOUTHERNMISS/501280307/1050


 


from article:


 "And you have to be a little old-school. Today's player doesn't always make it under him. The old-school player, tough-nosed, will last. But the other kind, when it's more about them and not about the team, they won't last." Former Iowa State player Jake Sullivan and 2001 Big 12 Freshman of the Year.



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Curmudgeon

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It always amazes me when people who are in the business world think they are experts on higher education. The fact of the matter is that when good universities (e.g., Stanford, Texas, MIT, Harvard) hire a new president, the faculty does not adjust to the new leadership. Quite the reverse is true. Shared governance is expected in higher education, and it is required by accrediting agencies. Universities are judged by the quality of their faculty and students. Yale is not a first rate university because of its leadership. It is great because it has some of the best students and faculty in the country, even the world. At the best universities, the leadership serves almost at the pleasure of the faculty. To the extent that this is not true in Mississippi, our universities are second rate. State and Ole Miss are in the third tier (of four) nationally. USM has recently dropped to the fourth tier. That's the real world.

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Mizzou co-ed

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Originally posted by: Jerk or Disciplinarian
"The players understand his methods and that's all that counts... http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050128/SOUTHERNMISS/501280307/1050   from article:  "And you have to be a little old-school. Today's player doesn't always make it under him. The old-school player, tough-nosed, will last. But the other kind, when it's more about them and not about the team, they won't last." Former Iowa State player Jake Sullivan and 2001 Big 12 Freshman of the Year."


Okay, call him a disciplinarian.  But, me and my sorority sisters at Mizzou thought he was a "jerk" that night 2 years ago drinking and carousing with co-eds....



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Invictus

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"It always amazes me when people who are in the business world think they are experts on higher education."


Most people who are in the business world aren't experts on business, either.

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Worldconned

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Originally posted by: Invictus
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Most people who are in the business world aren't experts on business, either."



That's for sure. Have y'all been following Bernie Ebber's defense at his trial: "I majored in PE, not economics, I'm just a dumbass who didn't know what was going on"

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Invictus

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"That's for sure. Have y'all been following Bernie Ebber's defense at his trial: "I majored in PE, not economics, I'm just a dumbass who didn't know what was going on" "


LOL! A P.E. major? Sorry, Bernie, but athletics is just like the real world.

Ebbers should have been able to transfer all those profound insights he gathered from football straight to the telecom world. And he did: he played fast'n'loose with the rules. Because in sports (as in the "real world") it's not how you play the game, it's whether or not you win. It's all about money.





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Worldconned

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Originally posted by: Invictus
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LOL! A P.E. major? Sorry, Bernie, but athletics is just like the real world.

Ebbers should have been able to transfer all those profound insights he gathered from football straight to the telecom world. And he did: he played fast'n'loose with the rules. Because in sports (as in the "real world") it's not how you play the game, it's whether or not you win. It's all about money.

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I'm drawing upon memory, but I think Ebbers was a basketball player at Mississippi College.

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Invictus

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"I'm drawing upon memory, but I think Ebbers was a basketball player at Mississippi College. "


Depending on which Horatio Alger story-gone-wrong you read, Ebbers was at one time a high school basketball coach. Also a milkman, a bar bouncer & a motel manager.



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Man behind the curtain

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"It always amazes me when people who are in the business world think they are experts on higher education."
How true, Curmudgeon. Even more amazing is that those "experts" on higher education are often college graduates. Sometimes a company produces a product that doesn't do what the company's marketing people hoped it would do. Coca Cola's "new coke" is a good example, as is Ford Motor Company's "Edsel." The "new coke" and the "Edsel" were taken off the market post haste. Sometimes a company produces a defective product and must issue a "recall." Unfortunately, a university can't issue a recall when one of its "products" turns out to be defective. The university learns too late that the educational process did not "take" - one of its products slipped through the assembly line without an essential "widget." But the university can't issue a "recall." It has to live with that that embarrassment. As the man behind the curtain once said, "I can't give you a brain, but I can give you a diploma." Yes, Curmudgeon, the number of people in the business world who think they are experts on higher education is absolutely amazing.

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Arnold

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"Unfortunately, a university can't issue a recall when one of its "products" turns out to be defective. The university learns too late that the educational process did not "take" - one of its products slipped through the assembly line without an essential "widget." But the university can't issue a "recall." It has to live with that that embarrassment. ."


Shelboo is one of those that slipped through!

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Emma

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Great thread, let's recall SFT and erase all memory of that SOB.

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