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Date: Jan 27, 2005

MSU Biz Profs not too thrilled....

Date: Jan 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Road Dog
"Just heard that many, if not most, of the MSU CBI faculty are not happy with the new arrangement that seems to be brewing about the merger & acquisition. Is there some anomosity between the two colleges we don't know about?
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If you were an MSU prof, would you want to have anything to do with USM at this point in time? This is not a trick question.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

They shouldn't be too concerned, there are almost no (relatively speaking) junior faculty left in the CBED now. In three disciplines --- accounting, management and marketing --- there are only 4-5 junior profs (among a total of about 25-30 total faculty in these). In a few short years, all Albertson's faculty will be just about retired and moved home.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

Why don't we all just start teaching out of our houses. Shut down the physical facility. Ooops, there's the University of Phoenix rising from the USM ashes again.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

Heard today that three or four business faculty may not wait for the MSU acquisition of USM COB...they have offers and may jump ship. From what I understand, they come from marketing(2), accounting, and finance. Given what's on the COB homepage, if they lose one or two key people, they will be in a world of hurt very soon.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

Be sure to alert babbs when you have more info on business school departures. I had heard there was 1 going from finance and maybe 1 from marketing, but your information looks to be more comprehensive than mine.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

What business prof would wait to be acquired by another b-school? Even if that happens(which is total idicoy), why would anyone think MSU-H would be structured and run like a normal, progressive b-school should be. Uncertainty is high no matter how you look at it, and the reward is low. In finance, they would say the risk-reward ratio is off, don't buy this loser. All the good things about being at USM are gone. When on a sinking ship, get the heck off and grab a raft before it's too late. I'd have better chances down at the new Hard Rock in Biloxi than praying for a quick fix and return to what a university should be.

Date: Jan 27, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Road Dog
"Just heard that many, if not most, of the MSU CBI faculty are not happy with the new arrangement that seems to be brewing about the merger & acquisition. Is there some anomosity between the two colleges we don't know about? "

There could be some advantages to this arrangement. MSU could bring Bully down and enroll him in dog school through USM's soon-to-be wurl' class canine program (which will include Ken-nel customer service training in addition to poodle grooming).

Date: Jan 27, 2005

At least there would be a decent b-ball team to root for. I wonder if the bookstore/gift shop would also sell MSU goods, since the b-school with over 2000 majors+ is now part of MSU. Economic Development says, YES.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

Bully is incorrect. There are a few more junior faculty members in these departments, plus there are a bunch in econ and finance. Of course after the job offers start rolling in, bully may have it about right.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

Actually, if you count only ACC, MGT, and MKT in Hattiesburg, Bully is pretty close. According to the COB website, those areas in Hattiesburg have 6 real assistant professors (not counting long-time, tenured assistants). Those same three areas have a total of 27 faculty.

By the way, what does it say that management has 8 assistants total, when some areas don't even have eight faculty members? I know Doty is a management guy, but he's got what appears to me to be way too many management people running around in his building.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

Not nearly as many "management" types as are running around in the dome trying to find their...tails.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Teddy's Bear
"Actually, if you count only ACC, MGT, and MKT in Hattiesburg, Bully is pretty close. According to the COB website, those areas in Hattiesburg have 6 real assistant professors (not counting long-time, tenured assistants). Those same three areas have a total of 27 faculty. By the way, what does it say that management has 8 assistants total, when some areas don't even have eight faculty members? I know Doty is a management guy, but he's got what appears to me to be way too many management people running around in his building."

Can't spell it, but entreprenuership is this hot new area in Management, sort of like the internet and e-commerce in marketing a few years ago, which bottomed-out like the industry. The area has much in common with ED, its an easy sell, money comes from benefactors and right now its the real growth industry in that area. Most entrepreneurs from what I know, either never go, drop out, or do poorly in college. Hmmm, a real entreprenuer would laugh at USM.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Entreprenuership
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Most entrepreneurs from what I know, either never go, drop out, or do poorly in college. Hmmm, a real entreprenuer would laugh at USM. "

My sister always wanted to finish her degree but was too busy being internationally known in her field (Oriental rugs) and running a very successful business on Magazine Street that she built from almost nothing. However, her interest in Oriental Rugs began with a Continuing Education course at Tulane. Her innate entrepreneural skills took it from there. Don't sell the "poodle-grooming" courses short.
When she died, she left a bunch of money to Tulane's business school for the benefit of women entrepreneurs.
What does this mean? It means that universities can have a role in fostering small business, it means that people don't necessarily have to complete a degree to succeed but that universities can be essential in providing tools they need. It also means that people in the "real world" recognize and value the importance of a university education even if they don't have one themselves.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
" My sister always wanted to finish her degree but was too busy being internationally known in her field (Oriental rugs) and running a very successful business on Magazine Street that she built from almost nothing. However, her interest in Oriental Rugs began with a Continuing Education course at Tulane. Her innate entrepreneural skills took it from there. Don't sell the "poodle-grooming" courses short. When she died, she left a bunch of money to Tulane's business school for the benefit of women entrepreneurs. What does this mean? It means that universities can have a role in fostering small business, it means that people don't necessarily have to complete a degree to succeed but that universities can be essential in providing tools they need. It also means that people in the "real world" recognize and value the importance of a university education even if they don't have one themselves."

The building and a big chunk of endowment for Duke's business school came from a gentleman who had written a business professor asking for some books he could read on business, since he couldn't afford to go to school. The professor sent him a reading list. Years later, after the businessman had (without a college degree) goteen very wealthy, he made a multi-million dollar gift to Duke -- you are right on the LVN. And a reminder that sometimes small acts of kindness do end up in conrete rewards.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

ahhh

"concrete" rewards . . .

Date: Jan 28, 2005

Originally posted by: stephen judd

"The building and a big chunk of endowment for Duke's business school came from a gentleman who had written a business professor asking for some books he could read on business, since he couldn't afford to go to school. The professor sent him a reading list. Years later, after the businessman had (without a college degree) goteen very wealthy, he made a multi-million dollar gift to Duke -- you are right on the LVN. And a reminder that sometimes small acts of kindness do end up in conrete rewards."

Yes, stephen, sometimes small acts of kindness do end up in concrete rewards. It's like the old saying "Watch who you kick going up the ladder because you might meet them on the way down." USM has kicked too many people to except very much in the way of concrete rewards. It'll be a cold day in Nitchampburg before USM gets a chunk of my estate. And it didn't have to be that way.

Date: Jan 28, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: stephen judd
""concrete" rewards . . . "

Yeah, dat's what we called dem "boots" what we puts on guys dat cross da godfatha. Come ta think of it, Shelby'd prob'ly look betta in da concrete dan in da abstrac'.

Date: Jan 29, 2005

Teddy is correct. The relative size of the management group is likely to be bigger by the end of the semester. My sources tell me that there could be huge losses this summer in CoB. There is some speculation that entire departments could either leave or retire.