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Polk Salad Annie

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Anybody heard anything about SACS situation? I have heard that "The times they are a changing" at the higher levels of USM.

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You must be one 'a them dern furriners, PSA. It's "Poke Salat" -- but if you've got some genuine information, go ahead and call yourself anything you like. Do tell . . .

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Polk Salad Annie

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Looks like I've been beaten to it on another thread. Sorry.

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Class SACS

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Is it still true that "the qualifications for graduate status are clear:  the graduate faculty must be a full-time employee in a tenure-track position at USM, holding an academic rank of assistant, associate, full, or distinguished professor without any qualifying designations such as 'visiting' or 'adjunct'"?


In the area of SACS credentialling and exceptions, would there also be SACS concern about deviations from the university's own stated policies?



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stinky cheese man

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the statement you're quoting is for regular graduate faculty status. there is also associate graduate faculty status.

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Class SACS

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man

"the statement you're quoting is for regular graduate faculty status. there is also associate graduate faculty status. "

Would you please explain the differences in terms of faculty credentialling and faculty privileges (not sure that's the right term - potential for faculty responsibilities?) and how this difference might relate to accreditation issues?  Thanks.

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stinky cheese man

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i'm not sure if i understand your question, but i'll attempt an answer. SACS sets what i view as minimal standards for credentialling. to teach graduate students you must have a terminal degree (Ph.D., JD, Ed.D., MD, MSW, or MFA) in the teaching discipline. exceptions can be made--but the "new" SACS says that experience no longer counts as an exception. The university can set higher standards--it's up to the university. many universities have different levels of graduate responsibility. some departments would not give entry level assistant profs doctoral directive responsibility right away. but, others may. SACS is probably going to say that the university should enforce and monitor whatever standards it wants as long as they doesn't go below their standard.

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Class SACS

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Thanks, I get that but what was the point you made about "associate" graduate faculty status?  What can't these folks do that profs with graduate faculty status can do (at least in theory)?

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stinky cheese man

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here's the language from the graduate studies form:

ASSOCIATE GRADUATE FACULTY STATUS
RECOMMENDATION FORM (03-05-02)
QUALIFICATIONS: (Attach Current Vitae)
1. Is not a full-time employee in a tenure-track position at USM, but meets other qualifications listed
below.
2. Completed an earned doctorate/terminal degree in the teaching discipline.
3. Demonstrated quality performance in teaching and research as prescribed by the individual’s
department and college.
RESPONSIBILITIES: (Please check responsibility requested).
_____ 1 May teach graduate courses within specialization. (Must submit a transcript to Human Resources.)
_____ 2 May serve as a member of master’s and specialist committees.
_____ 3 May serve as a member of a doctoral committee only if person has an earned doctorate.
4 May not chair any committees.

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In Dana's Dept., tenured or tenure track or even instructor status -- it is when she and CRK (with RK's help) have deemed that you are ready to have Graduate Faculty Status.  If you play her game, then you are ready. It's as simple as that. She's even had some unqualified outside people be on them - her buddies with no business serving on them.

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Class SACS

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So, it appears that there is an administrative override that essentially negates the GC rules and it has been in existence for almost three years.  My brain hurts.



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Whose on first

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"So, it appears that there is an administrative override that essentially negates the GC rules and it has been in existence for almost three years.  My brain hurts."

It sounds to me, then, that the university level (Graduate Council) standards are meaningless in this regard.

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Invictus

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man

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Invictus

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DAGNABBIT! Here it is...

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Originally posted by: stinky cheese man

"exceptions can be made--but the "new" SACS says that experience no longer counts as an exception."


Not to take away from the general points of SCM's original post, but this part isn't exactly correct. The "new" SACS Principles states, "When determining acceptable qualifications of its faculty, an institution gives primary consideration to the highest earned degree in the discipline... The institution also considers competence, effectiveness, and capacity, including, as appropriate undergraduate and graduate degrees, related work experiences in the field, professional licensure and certifications, honors and awards, continuous documented excellence in teaching, or other demonstrated competencies and achievements that contribute to effective teaching and student learning outcomes."

That said, the #1 qualification for graduate faculty is and "earned doctorate/terminal degree in the teaching discipline or a related discipline."

Also (and this follows on a much earlier thread), the Principles state that graduate teaching assistants must have a "master's in the teaching discipline or 18 graduate semester hours in the teaching discipline, direct supervision by a faculty member experienced in the teaching discipline, regular in-service training, and planned and periodic evaluations."

There is nothing in the Principles, BTW, specifying that faculty serving on committees have to be tenure-track or full-time employees. That would be an institutional policy.

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Let's see, Margaret Mary Sulentic was informed that as an ass't prof with a Ph.D. from Iowa, several research publications, National Board Certification with 18 years teaching experience, and having her dissertation named as one of the International Reading Association's Dissertations of the Year at their annual meeting, she failed to meet the criteria to even serve on graduate committees when she first arrived at USM in 1999 (she graduated from Iowa in spring 1999).  I am providing this as an example of unorthodox some departments make departmental decisions.

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stinky cheese man

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invictus--i was only repeating what the SACS consultant said this week about experience. doesn't count. boy, Ken Malone could be in trouble. apparently foreign language could have big problems as well with the staffing of their foreign language classes.

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Invictus

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"invictus--i was only repeating what the SACS consultant said this week about experience. doesn't count. boy, Ken Malone could be in trouble. apparently foreign language could have big problems as well with the staffing of their foreign language classes. "


I figured that was what the consultant said. And it's mighty good advice under the circumstances. I know the consultant & she isn't going to permit anything that would open things up for a subjective judgement by an evaluator.

In "normal" circumstances, an exception or two that relied heavily on experience would probably be OK. But exceptions of any form are things that self-study directors worry about right up until the committee's exit report.

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stinky cheese man

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agreed--i can see those exceptions giving people the willies until the team leaves.

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