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Qweeg

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Why Faculty Will WIN the War Against Thames
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IHL Board will soon get tired of cleaning up Thames messes.  Word from those who know is that one formerly neutral board member is almost at that point and a second is getting there.

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We shall overcome...but

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will any of us who love USM be here in person to enjoy the vistory?  WE will win the war, its these *!@% battles that are killing us!  Tell us more, give us a shard of hope!  Some of us are sending out vitae and really do want to stay here, every day our resolve gets weaker and our spirits lower.  Details, please.

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stephen judd

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Originally posted by: We shall overcome...but
"will any of us who love USM be here in person to enjoy the vistory?  WE will win the war, its these *!@% battles that are killing us!  Tell us more, give us a shard of hope!  Some of us are sending out vitae and really do want to stay here, every day our resolve gets weaker and our spirits lower.  Details, please. "

Polish your vita and take every precaution to ensure your own future . . . . but don't give up completely. Spring is coming . . .  we will all know a great deal more in the next few months. This was the time only four years ago when Horace went up before the Board -- and was offered a one year contract.


The Board has a decision coming. We are not helpless.



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Otis Redding

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I've been loving you too long to stop now.

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Smokey Robinson

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So take a good look at my face.
You'll see my smile looks out of place.
If you look closer, it's easy to trace
the tracks of my tears....


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Long gone

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Originally posted by: Smokey Robinson
"So take a good look at my face. You'll see my smile looks out of place. If you look closer, it's easy to trace the tracks of my tears.... "
So very true.

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Ellen Weinauer

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As others have pointed out in other threads, now would be a good time to re-up that letter writing campaign to IHL. I know many have continued to pepper IHL with letters, and I thank those who have done so. But I think it's fair to say that IHL has heard less from us in recent months than it did in the furor last spring--and than it needs to. While it seems that they aren't interested in listening, if we don't scream, they won't have to bother even hearing.

No quarter.

Ellen Weinauer

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Anne Wallace

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Amen, Ellen.

Absolutely NO QUARTER.
Anne Wallace

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Voltaire

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I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: "Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.

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Professor Lupin

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Originally posted by: Voltaire
"I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: "Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
Not so very different from the spell I taught to Harry Potter and his classmates.  A "ridiculous" spell conquers darkest fears by changing terror into humor.  If it were only so easy.

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Music patron

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Originally posted by: Voltaire
"I have only ever made one prayer to God, a very short one: "Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it."
Unfortunately, the gift of discernment is lacking in at least 90% of Mississippi's population.

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William Wordsworth

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There are select spirits for whom it is ordained that their fame shall be in the world an existence like that of Virtue, which owes its being to the struggles it makes, and its vigor to the enemies it provokes—a vivacious quality, ever doomed to meet with opposition, and still triumphing over it; and, from the nature of its dominion, incapable of being brought to the sad conclusion of Alexander, when he wept that there were no more worlds for him to conquer.


 



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Jameela Lares

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Folks, this isn't rocket science.  Reality isn't constructed so that truth always loses to falsehood.


 


I'm not cheering for faculty per se, but for the Way Things Should Be.  And that will prevail.


 


Because there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for.


 


Because hype with no substance can't stand up to public scrutiny forever.  (In other words, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.)


 


Because the dam has begun to crack.


 


Because one reaps what one sows.


 


Because SFT has called on God as his witness, and God will not be happy when He arrives.


 


Because, as the preacher in Memphis used to say, there's a payday someday.


 


NO QUARTER.


 

Jameela

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Billy Sunday

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Originally posted by: Jameela Lares
". . . .  as the preacher in Memphis used to say, there's a payday someday.   NO QUARTER.  Jameela "
That would be R.G. Lee, Jameela. Payday someday - one of the greatest sermons ever preached! I'll bet not many of us remember R.G. Lee. NO QUARTER.

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Done gone

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AMEN, brothers and sisters.

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LVN

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Originally posted by: Jameela Lares
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Because SFT has called on God as his witness,
 Jameela "


A very dangerous thing to do. One had best be sure what one is asking for!

And I do remember Dr. Lee, or at least I remember "of him." The paper in Memphis used to reprint that powerful sermon from time to time.

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Street Wise

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"And I do remember Dr. Lee, or at least I remember "of him." The paper in Memphis used to reprint that powerful sermon from time to time."
Me too! He was at Belleview Baptist Church in Memphis, as I recall.

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Left Too

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My dear ex colleagues


Who I am, is not important, but I left. A tenured associate professor. I left because of that evil, evil, THING and his cronies. I have watched your fight and every time the anti Christ screws up, I rejoice, but to no avail. And I have watched your fight on here, admiring you as I did not have the b%^&&s to stay. However, YOU WILL NOT WIN THIS FIGHT ON HERE. You will have to go over to some action. So, the FS, once again, voted against Thames. Do you for one moment think Roy Klumb cares? Do you for one moment believe that Susan Sharpe pass on messages? Give me a break. Her job is that of Lisa S Mader. Carl Nicholson and enemies got rid of Horace Fleming because the latter pointed out their dirty little games to them. And, in the state of Ms one does not go against the old boys club.


Take your fight out in the public. Someone has suggested on another thread to take out full page ads, discouraging parents to send their children there ... that is the kind of strategy that will get you somewhere. Take off the gloves. You are fighting someone with no class. I still believe the ONLY way to win this fight is to SUE IHL. And trust me, you have more than enough grounds to sue them. Also they are s*&*t scared of being sued.


God bless y'all and I will be watching the fight from the sideline. I pray that you will prevail.



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Robert Campbell

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Left too,


The full-page ads are a good idea.


The IHL Board doesn't like being sued, and doesn't like being in the newspapers all the time.  It will take effort, but there are ways to keep the Board in the newspapers all the time.


Robert Campbell



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Stakeholder

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Originally posted by: Left Too
"Someone has suggested on another thread to take out full page ads . . I still believe the ONLY way to win this fight is to SUE IHL. And trust me, you have more than enough grounds to sue them. Also they are s*&*t scared of being sued."
Left Too - I am not a graduate of USM and I am not a USM employee. Nonetheless, I would happily contribute to a fund established for either of the purposes you mention. Much damage is being done. Some of us believe that this is being done knowingly and deliberately.

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Invictus

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Scattershooting over the first cup of coffee...

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Originally posted by: Left Too
"I still believe the ONLY way to win this fight is to SUE IHL. And trust me, you have more than enough grounds to sue them. Also they are s*&*t scared of being sued."


... and ...


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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"The IHL Board doesn't like being sued, and doesn't like being in the newspapers all the time.  It will take effort, but there are ways to keep the Board in the newspapers all the time."


Sure. My experience is that most state agencies & officials have developed pretty thick hides about lawsuits, because 99.9% of the time the individuals involved are immune from any personal liability. In short, IHL doesn't give a rat's ass if anybody sues them.

Further, the way Mississippi law is constructed, were such a suit brought in state court there would be a better than 50:50 chance that the first thing the court would do is dismiss it as being either unconstitutional or without merit. Remember, the state courts are part of the same "old boy network" that we're up against.

Sovereign immunity was only repealed a few years ago & it is still difficult to get around the general concept.

When would the suit finally be heard if it did make it into the courts? Five years from now? Ten? Fifteen?

Now, should USM lose accreditation (unlikely) or go into a second year of probation (more likely), there might be some legal avenues open for parents & students to sue the IHL board for negligence. However, the way state law is now constructed, these would likely be limited to actual damages (i.e., recovery of tuition & fees), which would only put USM in worse financial straits than it's already enjoying.

A suit that was constructed so that there would be significant collateral damage to all other state institutions would likely be the only one that would get IHL's attention. And that's because...

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Originally posted by: Stakeholder
"Some of us believe that this is being done knowingly and deliberately. "


It is. USM has no friend on the IHL board. Period.

Let us also noter that if IHL does remove Thames from the USM presidency -- and ultimately they will have to replace him -- we have no insurance that they won't pick someone 212 times more obnoxious, regressive & corrupt. I for one would not be surprised if that's exactly what happens.

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Robert Campbell

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Originally posted by: Invictus
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Let us also note that if IHL does remove Thames from the USM presidency -- and ultimately they will have to replace him -- we have no insurance that they won't pick someone 212 times more obnoxious, regressive & corrupt. I for one would not be surprised if that's exactly what happens."


Invictus,

You aren't saying the Board is ready to replace him with Roy Klumb--or are you?

Robert Campbell

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Jameela Lares

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Since GWSA has bumped up the other thread, with which I respectfully disagree, I am likewise bumping up this one. 


I am not the only one that thinks the tide may have turned.  It is the nature of tides to do so.  It is also the nature of falsehood to be finally untenable.


(Newcomers, please note that "WAR" is a FIGURE OF SPEECH, and moreover one commonly used in our society to denote any marked struggle.)


Jameela



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