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Angeline

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Since SFT is in a generous mood having given the Faculty Senate the final word on the EEOC position, perhaps the Faculty Senate can trouble SFT to restore and increase funding to the library so that they can buy some books this year (and in the future).  SFT is still not convinced that we need a library at all, exposing his utter incompetence and unwillingness to learn about segments of the campus that rely on the library's resources for their basic research.  The library folks recently presented their dire predicament at a Cabinet meeting, but SFT told them to come up with their own funding.  Folks, if we can't get a library funded then we might as well close the doors of the university.  SFT needs to hear from his faculty about the absolute necessity of the library, especially since he seems to be in a listening mood lately.  The Senate and departments should craft position papers and appeals to SFT to fund the library and make acquisitions a priority - that's the only way things get done at USM now - you have to appeal directly to the king.  Moreover, a public appeal where we have professors in the media crying about the lack of library resources should work wonders: everyone (well, almost everyone) knows that you need a library in order to educate at the university level.



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Capitol Eagle

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Why not suggest that SFT use some of the $2 million or so saved from restructuring?  It has been used for everything else. 

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foot soldier

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Thames's disregard for the library is, in many respects, a worse travesty than his treatment of individual faculty members. The staff of the library have done with so little for so long, that to take away what little funding they have is cruel, and it strikes at the heart of USM. For me this more than anything represents the neglect and destruction of the place. When compared to other institutions' funding of their libraries, USM ranks behind Ole Miss and MSU, and schools like East Carolina, UNC-Greensboro, UNC-Charlotte, Univ. of Alabama-Birmingham and many others. This is what makes USM 5th tier.

I have to say that on the long list of reasons why I left, my frustration with not having what I needed for my research or for my students in the library was high on the list. At some point in one's scholarly career, one needs more than interlibrary loan. I used to spend my summers visiting all the large libraries near my relatives to do my scholarship, coming home with stacks of photocopies. There was no way I could interlibrary loan hundreds of books. The librarians where I now work couldn't understand my bizarre behavoir--something between cheering and weeping--my first week on the job, compiling my reserve list.

So, those of you that are still there, please take this mission to heart. I always felt moderately alone in a one-person campaign to improve the library. I know that are faculty out there that care, but there have been so many crises, the library ends up on the bottom of the priority list. Please DO SOMETHING. All of USM needs a better library.

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suggestions for the liberry

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I read somewhere that a coffee shop will be housed in the USM liberry. What more could one ask for? Besides, if a book is interesting it will eventally be made into a movie. Even books for the more serious reader, such as Woody Allen's The Curse of the Jade Scorpion, are made into movies. If you really want to improve the liberry, have them order the complete collection of Classic Comics. They are much thinner and easier to read than those dreadfully thick books. And they are in color! And not so dusty either. I did all of my term papers by reading those paperback versions and I never made less than a "C" on any of them. Well, I did make an "F" once, but that was because the teacher asked only one question: "What color is the cover on our liberry's copy of the book you have been assigned to read?" I thought that was an unfair question. I did learn that one must read the entire first and last chapters of the thick books in order to make a decent grade. If you really want to improve the liberry, tell them DVD's would help. Blockbusters has a very good liberry but it costs to check them out.

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ram

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" If you really want to improve the liberry, tell them DVD's would help.  "


Sugg, I am sympathetic to your plaint.  Classics Illustrated was da bomb.  Shame they all gone now.


But you need to know, the library does indeed have DVDs and videotapes.  They're up on the second or third floor.  Check 'em out.


(Sorry.)



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Lucky

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USM is sure lucky that the library won't be missed as much as it would if more students could read. The important thing to remember is that enrollment is up = more $$$$. Faculty should be working on RETENTION so that the $$$ can keep flowing in. Once faculty get these priorities straight, USM will more up to tier 3 again. STOP FLUNKING STUDENTS!!!

How about dem Eagles?

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Originally posted by: Lucky

"USM is sure lucky that the library won't be missed as much as it would if more students could read. The important thing to remember is that enrollment is up = more $$$$. Faculty should be working on RETENTION so that the $$$ can keep flowing in. Once faculty get these priorities straight, USM will more up to tier 3 again. STOP FLUNKING STUDENTS!!!"

I do hope you're kidding. I know I was. Sometimes it's difficult to tell.

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"Classics Illustrated was da bomb.  Shame they all gone now."

I always thought those little gems might have been written by moonlighting English professors. Vintage editions are still available online. I wonder if students still use them.

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Wow, haven't thought about Classics Illustrated for many a year. My father, who never attended college but was a serious reader, never allowed me to have them, because they were inferior, watered-down, inaccurate, etc. so reading one was a sort of guilty pleasure for me.


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Nostalgic

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Speaking of these sorts of books (and completely off topic from the rest of the website), does anyone remember or have copies of the We Were There series?  It's the way I learned history at about ages 9-11.

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Good old days

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"Speaking of these sorts of books (and completely off topic from the rest of the website), does anyone remember or have copies of the We Were There series?  It's the way I learned history at about ages 9-11."

I don't recall anything by the name "We Were There" but I do recall an old documentary series called "You Are There."  We're already way off topic, so I'll mention one other thing. I believe that children's imagination/creativity began to go downhill when radio declined and television took over. In the days of the 15-minute radio serial, the listener had to "fill in the gaps" with visual imagination. With television, on the other hand, what you see is what you get. Somehow I believe the switch from radio to television has resulted in a cultural and creative deficit in the lives of children.

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Robert Campbell

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Originally posted by: Angeline

"Since SFT is in a generous mood having given the Faculty Senate the final word on the EEOC position, perhaps the Faculty Senate can trouble SFT to restore and increase funding to the library so that they can buy some books this year (and in the future).  SFT is still not convinced that we need a library at all, exposing his utter incompetence and unwillingness to learn about segments of the campus that rely on the library's resources for their basic research.  The library folks recently presented their dire predicament at a Cabinet meeting, but SFT told them to come up with their own funding.  Folks, if we can't get a library funded then we might as well close the doors of the university.  SFT needs to hear from his faculty about the absolute necessity of the library, especially since he seems to be in a listening mood lately.  The Senate and departments should craft position papers and appeals to SFT to fund the library and make acquisitions a priority - that's the only way things get done at USM now - you have to appeal directly to the king.  Moreover, a public appeal where we have professors in the media crying about the lack of library resources should work wonders: everyone (well, almost everyone) knows that you need a library in order to educate at the university level."


Angeline,


I want to mention SFT's treatment of the library in Liberty and Power.  Can you tell me when this Cabinet meeting took place (approximately) or what the library needed the extra money for?


Clemson has a history of shorting the library, though obviously not to the degree that has prevailed at USM.   I guess SFT is nostalgic for the kind of library USM had back in the McCain days (as described in Exit 13).


Robert Campbell



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Angeline

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" Angeline, I want to mention SFT's treatment of the library in Liberty and Power.  Can you tell me when this Cabinet meeting took place (approximately) or what the library needed the extra money for? Clemson has a history of shorting the library, though obviously not to the degree that has prevailed at USM.   I guess SFT is nostalgic for the kind of library USM had back in the McCain days (as described in Exit 13). Robert Campbell"

The Cabinet meeting was within the past 2-3 weeks.  Kay Wall, university librarian, presented information about the library's budget - where money is allocated, the rising costs of periodicals, etc. - in an effort to convince SFT that more money is needed.  You may wish to contact her: kay.wall@usm.edu  The library has put all book purchases on hold and may not be able to buy a single book this year.  The library has always been underfunded at USM with too few resources and too few personnel, but under SFT this has gotten much worse.  When confronted with news like this SFT always says that he - believe this - has faculty well-being foremost in mind and can only spend time finding money to give them raises, bonuses, etc. rather than finding money for extraneous functions like the library.  SFT also told the previous head librarian, who resigned his position, that he had never used the library and wondered "why do we need one?"  SFT's idea is that everyone can use electronic databases and the internet for any research they need to complete.  Since SFT is so concerned with faculty well-being he needs to be told repeatedly that faculty need a well-stocked library to conduct research and teach.  I plan to leave USM in large part because of the lack of support for basic research and educational materials, as are supposed to be found in the library.

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Librarian

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I want to correct what may be a misperception here.  SFT has not cut the library in terms of funds to buy books and journals. The situation we are facing now is the result of many years of no increases in library funds to buy materials.  Increases in costs and the addition of academic programs with no increases in library materials funds have caught up with us.  This may mean no money for books this year and it will certainly mean continued deep cuts in journals and databases each year from now on.   


I think it is unfair to say that SFT has caused this problem, but it is a wonderful opportunity for him to fix something that is very broken and that is very important to our faculty and students. 


 



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In Need of a Wordbuilder

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"  SFT also told the previous head librarian, who resigned his position, that he had never used the library and wondered "why do we need one?"   "

His vocabulary must be very limited indeed.  I have heard that these were the exact words that he used in describing the EEOC/AA position and one of the colleges.

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Invictus

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"I don't recall anything by the name "We Were There" but I do recall an old documentary series called "You Are There."  We're already way off topic, so I'll mention one other thing. I believe that children's imagination/creativity began to go downhill when radio declined and television took over. In the days of the 15-minute radio serial, the listener had to "fill in the gaps" with visual imagination. With television, on the other hand, what you see is what you get. Somehow I believe the switch from radio to television has resulted in a cultural and creative deficit in the lives of children. "


"What sort of a day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our time...and You Were There."

Not being a "walking antique," I don't much remember radidio shows. But I do remember the "You Are There" TV program, which was derived from the radio version. From http://www.filmlinc.com/archive/programs/1-98/youare/youare.htm:
"You Are There" was a weekly, live TV version (1953-1957) of a successful radio series (1947-1950) that attempted to faithfully reconstruct significant historical narratives-utilizing authentic primary sources and actual quotations, employing real CBS News reporters-as if they were live television events.




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already gone

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"The situation we are facing now is the result of many years of no increases in library funds to buy materials.  Increases in costs and the addition of academic programs with no increases in library materials funds have caught up with us.  This may mean no money for books this year and it will certainly mean continued deep cuts in journals and databases each year from now on."


Just to add to Librarian's acute discussion of the library problem, here's a little history.  About ten years ago, the library's budget for journals and books was 'divided' among colleges, and all journals were assessed as to cost and 'primary user.'  Prior to this time, the then-dean of COS&T had provided support to the library from 'Dean's discretionary funds'; a practice that ended right then.  Each department was given a 'dollar value' that represented their part of the college's library budget.  Furthermore, all journals had to have a 'sponsor'; if a department wanted to make certain that a particular journal's subscription would be continued, then they had to 'claim' it, and allocate part of their funding.  With 'stable' budgets for library acquisitions, this led to a few years of "keep journals, or lose journals to buy books" with departmental allocations.  In the last few years, my former department was faced with "which journals can we keep, and which do we have to cut?"


 



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foot soldier

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It has also been apparent that SFT doesn't understand that the bulk of the online indexes and databases cost money. There was an incident, last year I believe, where he (or someone else on his behalf) asked why these resources were not freely available online to everyone--some cronies were apparently upset that they couldn't log in without being USM faculty or students. (Of course they could walk into Cook and use them for free.) But Shelby had no clue that this was not possible under the liscensing agreements, since these are things we actually pay for.

Of course, there is the famous Shelby comment, "I think libraries are a thing of the past. I haven't been in one in [insert various numbers here, depending on who tells the story, but never less than 15] years." I don't know if this story is true, but I've heard it from librarians, so I think it is.

I have to add, in my typical plug for the arts and humanities, that the scientific model (that Shelby talks about)--needing the latest research available online through indexes and full-text databases--doesn't necessarily work for the humanities, where older sources, such as books, or manuscripts and archival materials, simply aren't available online. If you are a historian, you still need the old stuff. In fact, in 1998 Thomas Mann (the librarian, not the writer!) reported that even in this information age of electronic resources, the Library of Congress's book collection grows by 10,000 volumes every two weeks.

So all of this is further evidence that Shelby is completely clueless about what lots of those "world-class" faculty do and that they need books and a library to do it.

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"Speaking of these sorts of books (and completely off topic from the rest of the website), does anyone remember or have copies of the We Were There series?  It's the way I learned history at about ages 9-11."


If you're really feeling nostalgic -- Do a search on the Anna Catalog. Looks like deGrummond has them (Series Title [We were there books ; 33]).

Don't know if this is the exact series you're talking about -- but nonetheless an apt demonstration of how important the library is. . . Certainly the primary job is to support the students and faculty, but they also serve a vital role in archiving print materials (and other materials as well, to be sure). I bet this is one of the few nearly complete (if not totally complete) collections of that series, thus proving once again that the deGrummond collection is one of the most amazing collections of children's literature in the world.

As a related aside, a few years back I searched high and low for a copy of a book I loved as a child -- "Seals on Wheels" which was printed by Hallmark. I even went so far to check out rare books sites. When you can actually lay your hands on it, this little rhyming book that cost about $2 now lists anywhere from $50 - 100.

My husband discovered that the Library of Congress actually had 1 copy of it, but it had gone missing. Turns out the only other cataloged copy we could locate was at -- you guessed it -- deGrummond.



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Jameela Lares

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Originally posted by: foot soldier
"I have to add, in my typical plug for the arts and humanities, that the scientific model (that Shelby talks about)--needing the latest research available online through indexes and full-text databases--doesn't necessarily work for the humanities, where older sources, such as books, or manuscripts and archival materials, simply aren't available online. If you are a historian, you still need the old stuff. In fact, in 1998 Thomas Mann (the librarian, not the writer!) reported that even in this information age of electronic resources, the Library of Congress's book collection grows by 10,000 volumes every two weeks."


One of the lessons of bibliographic history is that new technologies do not displace old ones.  We did not stop writing by hand with the invention of the printing press, and we have not stopped printing books with the advent of the internet.  But if we are going to stop archiving knowledge because we can't make it a priority to find the dollars to do so, we are virtually burning books.  We are hardly better than those who with a short-sighted and egoistic zeal piled up volumes in German cities and ignited them because they thought they had found some superior knowledge that had rendered Learning obsolete.


Indeed, it is usually those without a sense of history that believe the latest sales pitch of society, a sales pitch which these days seems to be made by the used-car salesmen of Progress and Technology and Affluence.  As C. S. Lewis said in "Learning in War-Time,"


"Most of all, perhaps, we need intimate knowledge of the past.  Not that the past has any magic about it, but because we cannot study the future, and yet need something to set against the present, to remind us that the basic assumptions have been quite different in different periods and that much which seems certain to the uneducated is merely temporary fashion.  A man who has lived in many places is not likely to be deceived by the local errors of his native village; the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age."


My hat is off to the valiant librarians of USM, who have fought most gloriously in a struggle few will ever recognize.


NO QUARTER.


Jameela Lares






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New Adjunct

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An intimate knowledge of the past is always feared by the forces of false progress. (Sorry for the alliteration, that's awful.) They are afraid we will remember those schemes didn't work last time, nor the time before . . .

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foot soldier

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Mr. Wonderful, I nominate the following:

But if we are going to stop archiving knowledge because we can't make it a priority to find the dollars to do so, we are virtually burning books.  We are hardly better than those who with a short-sighted and egoistic zeal piled up volumes in German cities and ignited them because they thought they had found some superior knowledge that had rendered Learning obsolete.


And I nominate this one too. I know C. S. Lewis is dead, but given the nature of this thread, I think it is entirely appropriate to nominate him:

"Most of all, perhaps, we need intimate knowledge of the past.  Not that the past has any magic about it, but because we cannot study the future, and yet need something to set against the present, to remind us that the basic assumptions have been quite different in different periods and that much which seems certain to the uneducated is merely temporary fashion.  A man who has lived in many places is not likely to be deceived by the local errors of his native village; the scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone of his own age."

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foot soldier

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"An intimate knowledge of the past is always feared by the forces of false progress. . . . They are afraid we will remember those schemes didn't work last time, nor the time before . . ."


And I nominate this one too!

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Mr. Wonderful, I nominate the following





Originally posted by: foot soldier
" And I nominate this one too!"




Duly noted & duly noted.

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New Adjunct

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Nominated on the same thread along with Jameela Lares and C.S. Lewis? Surely there has been some mistake . . . .

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foot soldier

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"Nominated on the same thread along with Jameela Lares and C.S. Lewis? Surely there has been some mistake . . . ."


Hey, having spent 3 years of my life as what AAUP now calls "contingent" faculty, I'm fully in support of adjuncts!

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