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We're #1

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If there's any way we're #1 we'll find it:
 
Header about USM in today's HA: School No. 1 in duplicated enrollment
 
USM quote in today's HA: "We educate more Mississippians than any other institution."
 
Quote from wise USM undergraduate in today's HA: "But bigger isn't always better."
 
 
 
 

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hot link

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http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040914/southernmissnews/1234129.html

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Coincidentally

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Is there an implied slam at Susan Siltanen in this article??? Wow, we're No. 2 in enrollment figures. Who cares, really? Quantity equals quality???? Only in Mississslippery

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Numbers don't

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"http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/news/stories/20040914/southernmissnews/1234129.html"


Look at the chart in the article. It indicates that USM had the 2nd lowest 2003 to 2004 growth rate for unduplicated enrollment of all of the nine public universities in this state (only MSU's growh rate was less than USM's).


Enrollment figures. Bah. It's all how you cut and slice them.








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" Look at the chart in the article. It indicates that USM had the 2nd lowest 2003 to 2004 growth rate for unduplicated enrollment of all of the nine public universities in this state (only MSU's growh rate was less than USM's). Enrollment figures. Bah. It's all how you cut and slice them. "


That same chart shows MUW with a 8.9% enrollment increase. Former longtime Southern Miss administrator Bucky Wesley is the VP for Enrollment Management at the "W" now.


Also, the UM Medical Center had a whopping 13% enrollment increase. I wonder how many of these new enrollments are in the nursing program, enrollments that under normal circumstances might have been part of a nursing class at Southern Miss?



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" That same chart shows MUW with a 8.9% enrollment increase. Former longtime Southern Miss administrator Bucky Wesley is the VP for Enrollment Management at the "W" now. Also, the UM Medical Center had a whopping 13% enrollment increase. I wonder how many of these new enrollments are in the nursing program, enrollments that under normal circumstances might have been part of a nursing class at Southern Miss?"

I don't believe it matters what the stats say, the "spin" will be that our enrollment is up.

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stinky cheese man

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green hornet--you know i haven't heard or read it yet, and they've had the opportunity.  and whatever spin may come out of USM can't be worse than MSU's spin about their enrollment decline.  all MS universities do it.  it's all about "braggin' rights." 



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Originally posted by: We're #1

Header about USM in today's HA: School No. 1 in duplicated enrollment

I propose that USM set up an off-campus registration site at the Albertson's building on HWY 49 South & one at the old Hattiesburg High School building on Main Street in downtown Hattiesburg. At the beginning of each semester the tudents could be shuttled between the main campus both off-campus Hattiesburg locations, registering for at least one course at each of the three locations, thus ensuring we will retain our No. 1 position in this important duplicated enrollment statistic which will wow the press, bamboozle the IHL, and keep all of us laughing.

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Green Hornet

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"green hornet--you know i haven't heard or read it yet, and they've had the opportunity.  and whatever spin may come out of USM can't be worse than MSU's spin about their enrollment decline.  all MS universities do it.  it's all about "braggin' rights."  "


Thank you SCM, you're right.  Last year SFT was "braggin" that Southern Miss was #1.


Then the roof fell in and we dropped all those grad students.........Be interesting to see if there are any dramatic "drops" in the next few weeks.



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stinky cheese man

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green hornet, two observations--



  • one third of those students defending doctoral dissertations were either not enrolled for dissertation hours at all or were enrolled for the wrong number of hours.  faculty were essentially getting no credit for the work being done.  don't know, green hornet, if you're in a doctoral degree granting department, but it's a problem.

  • we're more honest than places like Ole Miss--they sign you up for courses (like dissertation hours, but not limited to that.  include preview sessions for freshmen) and then don't drop you for non-payment until who knows when.  heard this from someone who talked to Sam Thomas (formerly at USM).  they keep billing you and billing you.  we drop them for non-payment by an early date in the semester.

we may not be perfect, but we're a lot better than some people think.



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The Doctor of Data

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Eye-popping data: The state system grew at 2.9%, but USM grew at only 1.3%,
not even half as fast as average. Also, freshmen were up 7.5% and transfers
were up 12%, but total enrollment was only up 1.3%. That means lots of folks
left. Given that coast programs are growing, it is possible that enrollment
actually fell on the Hattiesburg campus. Two more years like this and Ole Miss
could push us to #3 in enrollment. It's very difficult to put a spin on those figures.
 

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stinky cheese man

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i can't address the specifics, but let me spin it like MSU did--we graduated a lot last year.  (don't know if that's true)  take a good look at MSU's spin--they've declined in enrollment.  if they're entitled to spin, why not us!?  but i haven't seen much spin of our numbers.  Ole Miss looked like a maytag washing machine the way they spun their numbers. 

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"we're more honest than places like Ole Miss--they sign you up for courses (like dissertation hours, but not limited to that.  include preview sessions for freshmen)."

USM has done that also.

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stinky cheese man

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i'll add one last anecdotal bit of info that may relate to enrollment--students tell me that parking has gotten worse.  not an issue of convenience, now one of availability.  comes from a class of seniors who say it's gotten worse this year. 

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we're more honest than places like Ole Miss

Oh?

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To add to the mix, I received a postcard this summer informing me that there was a new policy in place that said that, as a doctoral candidate at USM, if I had already finished my coursework but not yet defended my dissertation, I would need to enroll in at least one class (dissertation hours? but I've already taken those) each semester until my dissertation was defended (and if I didn't do this, I would pay a hefty fine at graduation).  Fortunately, I'm not finished with my coursework (I have 2 classes left), but this seems to me to be a way to "count" more students (and unfortunately punitive to grad students).  Just my $.02.



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"USM has done that also. "

I believe this also refers to preview sessions.

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stinky cheese man

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the continuous enrollment policy isn't new.  it was being enforced very selectively.  some departments enforced it, others didn't.  compared to other universities across the country, our continuous enrollment policy for doctoral students is very weak.  a google search will illustrate that.

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"the continuous enrollment policy isn't new.  it was being enforced very selectively.  some departments enforced it, others didn't.  compared to other universities across the country, our continuous enrollment policy for doctoral students is very weak.  a google search will illustrate that."

But isn't receiving academic credit for merely enrolling in "preview" sessions going a litte too far?

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stinky cheese man

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yeah, a bit much. 

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