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Date: Sep 6, 2004

ED's latest job search/hire

Date: Sep 6, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: EEOC staffer
"The Econ Development department just hired one of its own PhD's as an Assist Professor. They did a search and hired without Harold Doty's knowledge that a search was going on in the first place. They searched far and wide and found a perfect match in one of their own recent PhDs. "

EEOC Staffer, I can see hiring a USM Ph.D. on a non- tenure track, one-year, non- renewable appointment under some circustances. But if Econ Development is in CBED how can they hire without the dean's knowledge that a search was in progress? Does USM have no appropriate "procedure" in place for advertising open positions? Doesn't the dean have to "sign off" on the various steps?

Date: Sep 6, 2004

It would be a minor miracle if any process or procedure were followed for hiring or raise giving at USM. I'm actually surprised USM and the IHL for that matter is not swamped by litigation...or they might be? Does anyone have a running count on the number of lawsuits? If I were a starving lawayer right outta law school, I'd be sniffing around Hattiesburg for sure.

Watch "O' Brother Where Art Thou?" Shleby is the governor! Could be a rainmaker. Or at least a good drizzle.

Date: Sep 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Confused - again
"EEOC Staffer, I can see hiring a USM Ph.D. on a non- tenure track, one-year, non- renewable appointment under some circustances. But if Econ Development is in CBED how can they hire without the dean's knowledge that a search was in progress? Does USM have no appropriate "procedure" in place for advertising open positions? Doesn't the dean have to "sign off" on the various steps?"

I fully understand the "inbreeding" rule, but as one who had it used against him, I'll just note that every time USM deviates from this "rule" it gets one step closer to a class action filed on behalf of every PhD graduate who was told not to bother applying for a position."

The argument is simple: Unless the department notifies every prospective doctoral student in writing prior to that student's enrollment, the department is effectively saying, "Our degree qualifies you to be a faculty member anywhere except certain 4th tier regional institutions."

Date: Sep 7, 2004

Someone (who I don't want to name) on a search committee in one of the arts areas told me that Provost Hudson told that particular committee that it is the "practice" of the University of Southern Mississippi not to hire people with terminal degrees from USM unless it was in a "shortage" area like nursing or unless the person has been away and has developed a legitimate national reputation.

Date: Sep 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Music Patron
"Someone (who I don't want to name) on a search committee in one of the arts areas told me that Provost Hudson told that particular committee that it is the "practice" of the University of Southern Mississippi not to hire people with terminal degrees from USM unless it was in a "shortage" area like nursing or unless the person has been away and has developed a legitimate national reputation."

That is the accepted practice at good universities. Ideally, you want to hire people from schools better than your own. That's how you get better, or, at least, keep from getting worse.

Date: Sep 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Flash Gordon
" That is the accepted practice at good universities. Ideally, you want to hire people from schools better than your own. That's how you get better, or, at least, keep from getting worse."

<SARCASM>But, if you're the only one in the whole world that offers this comprehensive degree program (such as economic development), then you have no choice but to hire from within, correct?? </SARCASM>

It's a perfectly great, self-feeding job snowball!

Date: Sep 7, 2004

another reason to discourage academic inbreeding is that good programs have different intellectual perspectives. hiring someone from his/her own doctoral program means that you get more of the same intellectually.

Date: Sep 7, 2004

If the Economic Development program hired someone for a tenure-track job (not Instructor, Lecturer, or Visiting Associate Professor) without bothering to so much as consult their dean...

then we know who actually runs the College of Business and Economic Development.

And it isn't Harold Doty.

Robert Campbell

Date: Sep 7, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"another reason to discourage academic inbreeding is that good programs have different intellectual perspectives. hiring someone from his/her own doctoral program means that you get more of the same intellectually. "

And from some departments that is a contradiction in terms.