Message below, forwarded from Grimes to USM-GC faculty this afternoon, names Pat Joachim as Coast interim associate provost. She's a retired public school administrator with a USM doctorate and credentials in the USM Educational Leadership program. Further, Joachim is a name to be reckoned with on the Coast, an old Biloxi family I believe. Anybody know her?
Coast Watcher/Provost Watch
FYI:-----Original Message-----From: Dr. Jay Grimes [mailto:Jay.Grimes@usm.edu] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:48 PMTo: 'Dr. Elliott Pood'; 'Dr. Harold Doty'; 'Dr. Pete Fos'; 'Dr. Rex Gandy';'Dr. Willie Pierce'; 'Burge, Dr. Cecil'; 'Dr. Clyde Ginn'; 'Dr. CynthiaEasterling Moore'; 'Dr. Joan Exline'; 'Dr. Joe Paul'; 'Grimes, Dr. D. Jay';'Lassen, Gregg'; 'Ryan, Tim'; 'Thames Dr. Shelby'Cc: Betty Boney; Donna SmithSubject: Assoc. Prov. GCI am pleased to inform you that late this morning Dr. Pat Joachim acceptedmy offer to her to serve as the Associate Provost for the Gulf Coast. Dr.Joachim recently retired from the Ocean Springs School District as theirAssistant Superintendent for Personnel. She has a Ph.D. in EducationalLeadership from Southern Miss and was our Coordinator of Programs forEducational Leadership and Research on the coast. In addition, Dr. Joachim has considerable experience with SACS and NCATE. I know that you will join me in welcoming Dr. Joachim to our administrative team.D. Jay Grimes, Ph.D.Provost and Vice President for Academic AffairsThe University of Southern MississippiHattiesburg Office: (601) 266-5002Gulf Coast Office: (228) 867-8795Cell: (228) email@example.com
Coast Guard wrote:Is the word "Interim" conspicuously absent from Jay Grimes' memo?
Sure enough. Oh that Jay-G! You never know what that boy's gonna do next. Must be an oversight, right?
has high ethical character
I really, really wish this is true. I don't expect administrators to be saints. Just the usual bumbling, half truths, evasions, didn't ask the right question, etc. That's all now normal in academia in general. We've been on the wrong side of normal for quite a while. A really honest person in this administration just might get my hopes up. At least slightly.
searcher wrote:If this is permanent, there should have been a search. That is what Grimes promised us.
I agree with searcher on this one: Grimes told a gathering of about 100 people at Gulf Park that there would be a nationwide search. I can't believe that he'd back out of that without some explanation.
Related: Low on the Hierarchy's wrong when arguing that a national search isn't usual in such cases. When the Coast hired a dedicated academic officer before--the hire that brought in Joe Hill as Coast academic dean--there was a national search. Although Hill was an old associate of then-VP Jim Williams, he was from outside the USM system, and one of the other two candidates was too, from Maryland, where he had run a marine research facility. The other candidate was Pat Smith, the Coast History prof. So, pax LotH, there is, in fact, recent precedent for a national search for an associate provost for the Coast.
Related: does USM award its Doctors of Educational Leadership a Ph.D. or an Ed.D.? I somehow thought it was the latter
Disk Q wrote:Research? Besides her Ed.D. dissertation?
Coast Watcher wrote: Low on the Hierarchy's wrong when arguing that a national search isn't usual in such cases. When the Coast hired a dedicated academic officer before--the hire that brought in Joe Hill as Coast academic dean--there was a national search.
Disk Q wrote: A doctorate of education is typically an Ed.D., since the doctorate of education is an American degree/distinction. At many of the schools with which I am familiar, Ed.D. candidates must write a dissertation. However, at USM, the education degrees carry a Ph.D. distinction. I am not sure why we have chosen to be different, but it seems rather silly. An Ed.D. is the accepted doctorate in educational fields...why alter it to Ph.D.?
Music Patron wrote: Disk Q wrote: A doctorate of education is typically an Ed.D., since the doctorate of education is an American degree/distinction. At many of the schools with which I am familiar, Ed.D. candidates must write a dissertation. However, at USM, the education degrees carry a Ph.D. distinction. I am not sure why we have chosen to be different, but it seems rather silly. An Ed.D. is the accepted doctorate in educational fields...why alter it to Ph.D.? I suspect we have done it because we think the PhD sounds more impressive. The music school no longer gives the Doctor of Music Education (DMEd) but only gives the PhD. Everyone wants the other title.
Disk Q wrote:USMGC now has an Associate Provost who has a ton of experience...running high schools. What does this tell you about how USMGC is viewed? When is the last time USM had a real national search to fill an administrative post above dean? Hudson? Grimes? Dvorak I and II? Lassen? Thames? She may be the best thing since sliced bread, but she seems like a glorified high school principal to me. Research? Besides her Ed.D. dissertation? This seems like another case of "let's pump up a buddy's retirement." Heard there's some of that going on in Hattiesburg...state employees who are retirement age and are getting a gig at USM to boost their "last 4."
The Ph.D. program is intented to help students develop the skills of a research and a graduate faculty member in teacher education in [...] education. The dissertation should emphasize basic research with a strong theoretical framework.The Ed.D. program is intented to help students develop educational leadership skills necessary in the roles of a teacher, curriculum specialist, and county or state supervisor. The dissertation should apply research methods to investigating a problem that has practical relevance.
Stephen brings up a critical point: in the administrative heirarchy a provost trumps a dean. An associate provost who comes in with credentials and experience that are not equivalent to those of the deans, whom she will outrank and oversee, is going to suffer from impaired credibility, and perhaps a lack of clout, with those deans.
Having been on the coast for over a decade, I can tell you with near 100 percent certainty that USM-Gulf Coast vitally needs a chief academic officer who is able to convince the Hattiesburg deans and chairs to adopt scheduling, delivery and hiring practices that will be beneficial to USM-GC programs and students. Poorly conceived and badly executed practices of these types are the primary impediment to academic legitimacy and community credibility at USM-GC. For the administration to provide the coast's students, community and faculty with anything other than an effective associate provost merely reprises the history of indifference, neglect and hostility that has, with a few brief exceptions, been the rule in USM's treatment of its Gulf Coast operation.
Ph.D. recipient wrote:USM's education docs degrees should be Ed.Ds! Someone should scrutinize those degree offerings.
Possum wrote:Like it or not, the Ph.D. is the highest degree offered by American colleges and universities. From a hierarchial perspective, it is higher than an M.D.
M.D., Ph.D. wrote: Possum wrote:Like it or not, the Ph.D. is the highest degree offered by American colleges and universities. From a hierarchial perspective, it is higher than an M.D. What is the basis for your claim? Are you suggesting that the Ph.D. is "higher" than other terminal degrees such as D.Sci, Psy.D., LL.D., D.Eng. (engineering), and yes, the M.D.? I completed a tier-1 MD/PhD program at a top ten U.S. institution with the PhD program being, in my opinion, far less rigorous than the MD program, even though it was longer in duration. In my program, the MD degree requirements included a senior paper based on original research that I found more challenging than my dissertation. This was my experience, but certainly other programs may differ. I don't begrudge you your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion.
stephen judd wrote: I think a better distincton might be referring again to the purpose of the degrees. As noted the Ph.D is a research degree. The MD, MFA, the MBA, etc. all place a premium on practice - they are applied degrees. I think it is fruitless to argue which of these is more "rigorous." There are chump PH.D degrees and very rigorous MBAs. But they tend to produce a difference species of person -- with different purposes. Although I have an MFA, it doesn't actually both me much that Ph.D's are placed in line ahead of my students at graduation nor that they have all of those fancy robes. Most Ph.D programs are pretty arduous, particulalrly those associated with serious dissertation processes. Many folks earning their Ph.Ds do so after years of work -- particualrly as the dissertation phase can be very drawn out. Most of the applied degrees simply tend to be be more concentrated and the timing of the outcome more predictable. Although my MFA students work very hard for the three years of their program, at the end of that time they are fairly assured they will get the degree based upon a heavy emphasis on class and practice, and some lesser extent on theory (the writing on an MFA tends to be much less imposing than for the Ph.D -- which makes a great deal of sense). In our case, the research supports the practice instead of the research being the object itself.